On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote:
While I may be very wrong, I have to say I've never seen or heard of a
bass trombone with an extra-wide bore. Nor have I ever heard or
read any trombone except the BBb instrument called a contrabass.
[...]
If what you say is true, I wonder
But these were not what you described before, Andrew. These are
contrabass trombones in BBb (and one in F) made to play Wagner, etc.
Not suitable for everyday use, not versatile, not the instrument for
your utopian brass section. Use it only if you have at least four
trombonists. The
On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Ray Horton wrote:
It is very easy to say what trombone you want. Trombone implies a
tenor trombone (in a symphonic or serious contemporary music
situation, it implies a large-bore tenor with an F-attachement.)
Bass trombone is the instrument you are trying so
Speaking of King Kong ... that low BBBb has all the aural essence
of how I've always imagined a flatulent thousand pound Gorilla would
sound.
Dean
On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote:
While I may be very wrong, I have to
At 4:28 PM -0400 8/28/09, Andrew Stiller wrote:
A bass trombone differs from a regular trombone (I won't say tenor
because half my readers would instantly assume I was talking about
the simplex instrument) in having a second trigger--in E,
specifically to enable production of B natural below
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a
double, specifically for its tone quality.
But thinking about it, I could picture using flugel as the lead over
trombones, and wanting to mute the
And when I did my first round of recordings in Moravia I found out how
prominent the euphonium (=tenor flügelhorn) was in the folklorical combos.
ajr
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a
Our first trumpet player plays a posthorn on occasion, and gets a very
dark sound on it - it has a very large bore in comparison to it's length
- as opposed to a D trumpet.
The player that chose a D trumpet probably did so for intonation or
comfort, but probably not for timbre. Actually,
You could still tell it was a D trumpet and not something more mellow. I
don't know if it was the player's choice or the conductors's.
ajr
Our first trumpet player plays a posthorn on occasion, and gets a very
dark sound on it - it has a very large bore in comparison to it's length
- as
I forget - in what key is that (Mahler 3 posthorn solo) passage?
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
You could still tell it was a D trumpet and not something more mellow. I
don't know if it was the player's choice or the conductors's.
ajr
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I forget - in what key is that (Mahler 3 posthorn solo) passage?
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
You could still tell it was a D trumpet and not something more mellow. I
don't know if it was the player's choice or the conductors's.
ajr
] OT: mutes for flügelhorns?
I forget - in what key is that (Mahler 3 posthorn solo) passage?
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
You could still tell it was a D trumpet and not something more mellow. I
don't know if it was the player's choice or the conductors's.
ajr
, as it appears in the first
trumpet part.
Dalvin Boone
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I forget - in what
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Hi Dalvin,
So, you mean it ranges around a concert F arpeggio? That sounds right.
I know, when I sat through
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Ray Horton wrote:
Andrew suggests:
contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger)
Just what do you mean, Andrew? Do you mean a contrabass trombone in
BBb, same pitch as a BBb tuba, but with two valves? Not made - no
valves, or one valve
So is the advantage to writing for a contrabass trombone one of range, or
strictly one of timbre? Just looking through the Ring Cycle it doesn't
look like the contrabass goes down any lower than the regular bass. I
understand thet IU had two contrabass bones, both of which had valves.
ajr
On
Andrew, I hate to correct a man who is such an expert, an you are. But
you have a mistaken impression on a few counts.
it is just impossible to say what trombone you want without going into
a whole lengthy description.
It is very easy to say what trombone you want. Trombone implies a
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
So is the advantage to writing for a contrabass trombone one of range, or
strictly one of timbre? Just looking through the Ring Cycle it doesn't
look like the contrabass goes down any lower than the regular bass. I
understand thet IU had two contrabass bones, both of
On 27-Aug-09, at 27-Aug-09 5:38 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 4:22 PM -0400 8/27/09, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Ray Horton wrote:
a conventional bass trombone in Bb with two valves. This is
never called a contrabass trombone. In that case
About 10 years ago,
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup,
harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them?
Aaron J. Rabushka
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For instance:
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On 26 Aug 2009, at 4:30 AM, dhbailey wrote:
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
Does any of you know
It's a little-known fact that tenor trombone mutes fit a flugelhorn
bell pretty well. They aren't perfectly balanced, but some mutes
aren't even that on the trombone, so maybe the standards are bit too
high? French horn mutes should work too (try the mute that
substitutes for hand
At 12:46 AM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup,
harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them?
Aaron J. Rabushka
You've gotten some useful answers (which this is
NOT!), but my first reaction was, why? Most of
us would
Thanks to all of you for your replies! I submitted my inquiry to this list
since there are so many musicians here with practical experience that a
google search could never tap. As to why I want to mute the flügelhorn,
suffice it to say that that's what I need to do at this juncture in the
piece
At 4:08 PM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your replies! I submitted my inquiry to this list
since there are so many musicians here with practical experience that a
google search could never tap. As to why I want to mute the flügelhorn,
suffice it to say that
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for its
tone quality.
Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color
quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous piece
where
flugel
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
my first reaction was, why? Most of us would write for flugel as a
double, specifically for its tone quality.
But thinking about it, I could picture using flugel as the lead over
trombones, and wanting to mute the whole section.
Curious,
Andrew suggests:
contrabass trombone (i.e. wide-bore Bb/F bass w. addl. D trigger)
Just what do you mean, Andrew? Do you mean a contrabass trombone in
BBb, same pitch as a BBb tuba, but with two valves? Not made - no
valves, or one valve only. Either way, the contrabass slide trombone
The 9th symphony by Vaughan Williams comes to mind. Also, the flügelhorn
often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd,
and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is
sometimes used.
ajr
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
Most of
At 5:48 PM -0400 8/26/09, timothy price wrote:
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for
its tone quality.
Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color
quality in some well known musical work?
Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this color
quality in some well known musical work? Is there such a famous
piece where
flugel horn is used which would not sound satisfying with trombone
or horn instead?
There are many examples of jazz players using this
On 26 Aug 2009, at 7:40 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 5:48 PM -0400 8/26/09, timothy price wrote:
On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:01 AM, John Howell wrote:
Most of us would write for flugel as a double, specifically for
its tone quality.
Was wondering if you might be able to give an example of this
Couple of comments...
1. Cimbasso, anyone? Does the LO own one, Ray, or does anyone in your section?
Perhaps that is what Andrew means? Cimbassi come in all the tuba keys (F, Eb,
CC, BBb)
2. A great use for euphonium is as a replacement for the HORN in a brass
quintet. Our quintet has been
The Mahler posthorn solo is actually labeled 'flugelhorn' in the part.
RBH
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
...Also, the flügelhorn
often stands in for the posthorn in the 3rd movement of the Mahler 3rd,
and it sounds much better in this capacity than the d-trumpet that is
sometimes used.
ajr
FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a
cimbasso for something by Verdi. I think that the Dallas Opera had
one--don't know how it ended.
And, if you want to hear some effective euphonium writing, check out my
Canzona e Scherzo Capriccioso (Vienna Modern Masters CD
And so it is marked in the score I have as well. St. Louis Symphony used a
D-Trumpet for their local premiere--never have understood why.
ajr
The Mahler posthorn solo is actually labeled 'flugelhorn' in the part.
RBH
arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
...Also, the flügelhorn
often stands in
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Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: mutes forflügelhorns? now Andrews brass
FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a
cimbasso for something by Verdi. I think that the Dallas Opera had
one--don't know how it ended.
And, if you want to hear some effective
I agree to most of what you say, Jim, except for #1. I am sure that
cimbasso was not on Andrew's mind. Cimbasso is not a versatile
instrument, the sound is a specialized one, and yes, I do own own one -
a Cervany bass trombone sized straight model in F. Perfect for the
lighter cimbasso
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FWIW, I remember that the Dallas Symphony was trying to beg and borrow a
cimbasso for something by Verdi. I
At 8:36 PM -0500 8/26/09, arabu...@cowtown.net wrote:
And so it is marked in the score I have as well. St. Louis Symphony used a
D-Trumpet for their local premiere--never have understood why.
I've heard posthorn solos. It may have been the Goldman Band playing
summer concerts in Central Park
Does any of you know if flügelhorns have some of the unusual (i.e., cup,
harmon) trumpet mutes fitted for them?
Aaron J. Rabushka
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