Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

Indeed. 

Coming from 2012 Finale it would be a huge improvement.

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> There are some quite useful changes since Fin12. For me, the most important
> is beat-attached smart shapes. This is quite a significant improvement if
> you use linked parts. There is also a key bug fix since Fin12 that is
> important if you use plugins in part view. I think there is more, but I
> can't think of it at the moment.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Mike Greensill 
> wrote:
> 
>> "But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>> 25." Robert
>> 
>> Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
>> 2012.
>> 
>> Love
>> 
>> Mike G.
>> 
>> www.mikegreensill.com
>> 
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>> home - 707 967 9491
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac
>> beta
>>> for Fin14.5.
>>> 
>>> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
>>> 14.5.
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>>> 
>>> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
>> and
>>> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that
>> time
>>> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
>>> work
 better.
 
 
> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather
>> than
 dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
>>> (which
 was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> 
> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
 when setting up from a template.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

There are some quite useful changes since Fin12. For me, the most important
is beat-attached smart shapes. This is quite a significant improvement if
you use linked parts. There is also a key bug fix since Fin12 that is
important if you use plugins in part view. I think there is more, but I
can't think of it at the moment.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Mike Greensill 
wrote:

> "But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
> and
> 25." Robert
>
> Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
> 2012.
>
> Love
>
> Mike G.
>
> www.mikegreensill.com
>
> cell - 707 235 5107
> home - 707 967 9491
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>
> > The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac
> beta
> > for Fin14.5.
> >
> > My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
> > 14.5.
> >
> > I haven't seen the crash on exit.
> >
> > But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5
> and
> > 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that
> time
> > signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
> > work
> > > better.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather
> than
> > > dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
> > (which
> > > was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> > > >
> > > > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> > > when setting up from a template.
> > > >
> > > > Steve P.
> > > >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Mike Greensill]

"But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
25." Robert

Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
2012.

Love

Mike G.

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac beta
> for Fin14.5.
>
> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
> 14.5.
>
> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>
> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that time
> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
> wrote:
>
> > I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
> work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than
> > dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
> (which
> > was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> > >
> > > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> > when setting up from a template.
> > >
> > > Steve P.
> > >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Robert Patterson]

The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac beta
for Fin14.5.

My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
14.5.

I haven't seen the crash on exit.

But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that time
signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to work
> better.
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than
> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which
> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> >
> > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> when setting up from a template.
> >
> > Steve P.
> >
> >
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Eric Dannewitz]

I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to work 
better.


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
> 
>> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than 
>> dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which 
>> was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> 
> Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not when 
> setting up from a template.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Steve Parker]

> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than dragged 
> (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which was fine) 
> can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.

Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not when 
setting up from a template.

Steve P.


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[Finale] Finale 25

[Steve Parker]

I’ve been playing with the trial.
I can’t see any difference between that and 2014.5 other than telling me that 
Ambience is not supported.
Still no option to ‘reassign playback sounds' to Garritan. Still tells me it 
has unexpectedly quit when I quit it.
Still takes ages the first time I hit play.
The contoured dashed slurs look nicer but the large time signatures are clunky 
as hell for a new feature - the method (below) has more steps than my current 
kludge…
The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than dragged 
(as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue (which was fine) 
can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.

Not a very useful message, but I shall not take advantage of the $99 price..

Steve P.






Creating large time signatures is common in full conductor scores. You can 
create these in Finale using the EngraverTime font 
.
 This method assigns the large time signature to the score but doesn't affect 
linked parts. In this method, you'll create and apply a staff style to a score 
to hide the usual time signatures, then change the time signature font options. 
This example works best using a score with six or more staves. 

If you're viewing a linked part and not the score, choose Document > Edit Score.
Choose Plug-ins > Scoring and Arranging > Global Staff Attributes. The Global 
Staff Attributes plug-in 

 appears. 
Deselect Time signatures in score. Click OK.
Choose Document > Document Options. On the left, choose the Fonts category. The 
Document Options - Fonts dialog box 

 appears.
Next to Notation, select Time (Score). Click the Set Font button. The Font 
dialog box 
 
appears.
Choose EngraverTime, Regular, Size 48. Click OK.
Choose the Time Signatures category on the left. The Document Options - Time 
Signatures dialog box 

 appears.
Under Vertical Adjustment, in the Score column, set Top Symbol to 1" and Bottom 
Symbol to -.75", and click OK.
You may need to experiment with these values to suit the needs of your score.
Choose the Staff tool  
.
Click to the left of the third staff (to select the entire staff). Choose Staff 
> Edit Staff Attributes. The Staff Attributes dialog box 
 
appears.
Select Time signature in score. Click OK. The large time signature appears. 
Repeat the previous step on subsequent staves, spaced apart as needed.

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Re: [Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, November 28, 2016 9:59 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
> document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
> using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the Score
> Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
> know a way to not have this happen?

I just tried this. Maybe you did this already. Finale 2014.5, Windows.

I double-clicked in scroll view to add a new staff AT THE BOTTOM. I switched
to page view (where I have no auto-updating of anything) and the news staff
was off the page as expected.

I selected that staff by clicking to the left of it, then 'hide'. All of the
new staff occurrences disappeared.

Next I switched to the selection tool, and selected all the measure stacks on
one page by double-clicking the first measure and shift-clicking the last
measure. Then I switched to the staff tool and 'unhide'.

The new staff reappeared on just that page, at the bottom.

Then I chose 'reorder staves' and moved it up.

The rest of the score remained unaffected.

Does that do what you want?

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[rglan]

At 3:20 PM -0500 28/11/16, David H. Bailey wrote:
>If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very
>angry with them for making this $99 offer.

Me too.

>I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not
>going to fall for it this time around either.

Well I fell for it, but then the last upgrade I got was in 1993 ;-) 
Drove me insane when I had to ring them today though, listening for 
45mins to some crappy version of 'Blackbird' so I could get back into 
my account. Ouf ! They certainly are very suss musically :-/

raglan
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/28/2016 2:43 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> jef -
>
> Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.
>
> And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
> snag the “upgrade” today.
>
> I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
> sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote.
>

Nobody (except for MakeMusic or whatever the company is currently 
called) has said that this is an upgrade that people should buy.

If I had upgraded for the initial "deal" of $149 I would be very very 
angry with them for making this $99 offer.

I did not fall for it back when it was first announced, and I'm not 
going to fall for it this time around either.

I fear I will not be buying another Finale upgrade for quite a while, if 
ever.

I start all my new projects in Sibelius and it's been years since 
anybody has contacted me about continuing to work on Finale files, so 
I'll simply stick with 14.5 and see if I ever feel the urge to upgrade 
to a newer version of Finale.

And while all along I've bought every single upgrade, often more to show 
my continued support for Finale than because I needed something special 
that was in a new upgrade, I'm tired of paying for supposed bug-fixes 
which should be free in updates, and which in reality have not been as 
plentiful (at least for my normal workflow and projects) as the 
publicity claims.

There has been nothing new in Finale that would make me buy an upgrade 
since they introduced linked score/parts and possibly one or two 
upgrades after that where they supposedly got the linked score/parts to 
work better.  Nowadays it's just feeding the cash cow instead of getting 
real value for the money spent and I frankly can't afford that any more.

So I'm out on this upgrade, even for $99.  And possibly out for all the 
future ones as well.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Mariposa Symphony Orchestra]

jef - 

Phenomenal response.  Thank you greatly.

And FWIW, I’m right there on that knife-edge with you, and will also probably 
snag the “upgrade” today.  

I hate to reward the beast by feeding it when it’s done nothing to deserve 
sustenance, but – yeah.   As you wrote. 

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From: SN jef chippewa 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade


that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[Dean Rosenthal]

Thanks, jef. Much appreciated. 

Dean

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> On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:06 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> that could be because there doesn't seem to be one.  the discussion back in 
> august was -- in my interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.
> 
> a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss of speed experienced witth 
> F2014 has been fixed. it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should somehow be 
> expected to pay for that.
> 
> "dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were not listed so i have no idea 
> just how important this claim is, but should we be paying for bug fixes?  i 
> don't think so, whether they are new bugs or age-old ones, these should be 
> fixed in a free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of as more 
> substantial upgrade, not as its main selling point, not when i am being asked 
> to buy it.
> 
> as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying with finale "for the kids", 
> certainly not for the amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence with 
> this one.  if i had a client that needed me to have F25, i would be forced to 
> get it.  and i may spring for it today (because i might eventually have to 
> have it), but i would much prefer to sit this round out as a political 
> statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel like i am feeding alcohol to an 
> alcoholic that will just reinforce their unwillingness to make the first 
> step: admit s/he has a problem.
> 
> perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, but all in all, my reading 
> is that is a less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" to its 
> customers.
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I don¹t think we¹ve heard the 
>> simple answer to THIS question:
>> 
>> What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>> 
>> Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>> 
>> For Win10 users, particularly.
>> 
>> I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has reduced the previous price for 
>> upgrading.  Of course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but the real 
>> ones would certainly be revealing.
> 
> -- 
> 
> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation
> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html
> 
> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
> new music notation  +  arts management  +  translation
> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise  |  [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[Robert Patterson]

Two points: I'm adding a new staff, so there won't be any notes in it.

"Hide Empty Staves" does not always restore my systems to the exact staff
spacing as before, so it is not an acceptable solution.

FWIW: The reason for this is that I need to add (in this case a percussion)
instrument after I've already laid out a dozen or more pages. The new
instrument won't be used on any of the pages I've already laid out.




On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:33 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 11/28/2016 9:59 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> > It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
> > document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
> > using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the
> Score
> > Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
> > know a way to not have this happen?
>
> After it gets added, use staff tool to select that added staff and use
> the "Hide Empty Staves" command in the Staff menu and any systems where
> there aren't notes on that staff won't have it show.
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Re: [Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[David H. Bailey]

On 11/28/2016 9:59 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
> document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
> using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the Score
> Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
> know a way to not have this happen?

After it gets added, use staff tool to select that added staff and use 
the "Hide Empty Staves" command in the Staff menu and any systems where 
there aren't notes on that staff won't have it show.

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Re: [Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[Christopher Smith]

I’m not sure I understand the question. How would adding another staff NOT 
affect the layout? It makes every system exactly one staff taller. 

You can choose the new staff everywhere except the place you want it with the 
Staff Tool and select Hide Empty Staves. This only works in Page view. For 
Staff Sets (in scroll view) you would have to redefine them to exclude the new 
staff.

I am guessing you have Violin 1 split into two staves for a brief passage, or 
something like that? This is the way to do it. You also have to add the new 
staff to the existing Violin 1 part and create the Group while in the part.

Christopher


> On Mon Nov 28, at MondayNov 28 9:59 AM, Robert Patterson 
>  wrote:
> 
> It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
> document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
> using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the Score
> Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
> know a way to not have this happen?
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[Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[Robert Patterson]

It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the Score
Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
know a way to not have this happen?
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Re: [Finale] finale's 12-step programme

[Eric Fiedler]

Could it have been on the website on April 1, 2016? ;-)

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> Am 28.11.2016 um 11:35 schrieb SN jef chippewa 
> :
> 
> 
> did anyone else see this on the finale website?  can no longer find 
> the page where i came across it, but thought i would share it, it 
> really is a beautiful thing.
> 
> 1. We admitted we were powerless without our client base -- that our 
> software had become unmanageable.
> 2. Came to believe that the reasoning of our client base could 
> restore us to sanity.
> 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to take care 
> of our clients as they deserve.
> 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
> 5. Admitted to our clients, to ourselves, and to our shareholders the 
> exact nature of our wrongs.
> 6. Were entirely ready to work hard to remove all these defects of character.
> 7. Humbly asked our client base to forgive us of our shortcomings.
> 8. Made a list of all outstanding issues and bugs, and became willing 
> to correct them on our own time and budget in a timely fashion.
> 9. Made direct improvements to our software, and continue to do so 
> instead of just pretending to have forgotten the problems and hoping 
> they would eventually go away.
> 10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, 
> promptly admitted it.
> 11. Sought through focus and dedication to improve our conscious 
> contact with our client base which we now strive to understand and 
> support better, promising to improve our knowledge and to find the 
> power to carry that out.
> 12. Having had a professional awakening as the result of these steps, 
> we insisted on carrying this message publicly to show our committment 
> to our betterment, and promise to practice these principles in all 
> our affairs.
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[Finale] finale's 12-step programme

[SN jef chippewa]

did anyone else see this on the finale website?  can no longer find 
the page where i came across it, but thought i would share it, it 
really is a beautiful thing.

1. We admitted we were powerless without our client base -- that our 
software had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that the reasoning of our client base could 
restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to take care 
of our clients as they deserve.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to our clients, to ourselves, and to our shareholders the 
exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to work hard to remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked our client base to forgive us of our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all outstanding issues and bugs, and became willing 
to correct them on our own time and budget in a timely fashion.
9. Made direct improvements to our software, and continue to do so 
instead of just pretending to have forgotten the problems and hoping 
they would eventually go away.
10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, 
promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through focus and dedication to improve our conscious 
contact with our client base which we now strive to understand and 
support better, promising to improve our knowledge and to find the 
power to carry that out.
12. Having had a professional awakening as the result of these steps, 
we insisted on carrying this message publicly to show our committment 
to our betterment, and promise to practice these principles in all 
our affairs.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 25 upgrade

[SN jef chippewa]

that could be because there doesn't seem to be 
one.  the discussion back in august was -- in my 
interpretation -- more about resignation than joy.

a speed issue on mac has been fixed.  so the loss 
of speed experienced witth F2014 has been fixed. 
it is now as fast as F2012.  and we should 
somehow be expected to pay for that.

"dozens of bugs" were fixed, although they were 
not listed so i have no idea just how important 
this claim is, but should we be paying for bug 
fixes?  i don't think so, whether they are new 
bugs or age-old ones, these should be fixed in a 
free update, or at the very least ONLY as part of 
as more substantial upgrade, not as its main 
selling point, not when i am being asked to buy 
it.

as i mentioned in that discussion, i am staying 
with finale "for the kids", certainly not for the 
amazing upgrades.  but i am really on the fence 
with this one.  if i had a client that needed me 
to have F25, i would be forced to get it.  and i 
may spring for it today (because i might 
eventually have to have it), but i would much 
prefer to sit this round out as a political 
statement.  if i buy it, i will for sure feel 
like i am feeding alcohol to an alcoholic that 
will just reinforce their unwillingness to make 
the first step: admit s/he has a problem.

perhaps a better deal on the win side of things, 
but all in all, my reading is that is a 
less-than-inspiring upgrade.  more of a "degrade" 
to its customers.



>Thanks to all who¹ve chimed in.   But so far, I 
>don¹t think we¹ve heard the simple answer to 
>THIS question:
>
>What¹s the ADVANTAGE to upgrading to Fin 25?
>
>Or more simply: why should anyone bother upgrading from 2014.5? 
>
>For Win10 users, particularly.
>
>I am a little intrigued by the fact MM has 
>reduced the previous price for upgrading.  Of 
>course I can come up with PLENTY of answers, but 
>the real ones would certainly be revealing.

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