[Finale] Finale and Mac OS
I currently use Finale 2012 on my iMac with OS 10.9.5. I am seriously thinking about updating the OS on my Mac to High Sierra (not sure what the OS number is for that), and also upgrading to the most current version of Finale. If I do upgrade from 10.9.5 to High Sierra, will I still be able to access and use my Finale files created in earlier versions (FinMac 2008, 20012)? Thanks in advance for your advice. Martin Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
Sop, clar, bass clar, violin, cello for me too, no question. Steve P. > On 11 Jun 2018, at 20:32, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: > > Forgot bass clarinet, I’d put it under the clarinet. > > *** > J D Thomas > ThomaStudios > > > >> On Jun 11, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Michael Edwards >> wrote: >> >> [Michael Meyer:] >> >>> A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music >>> Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, >>> and cello. >>> >>> For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems >>> weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano >>> in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). >>> >>> Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! >> >>I think I would put the soprano at the top, but the rest in normal >> orchestral order. >>I have an idea that chamber music does usually follow orchestral order, >> with a few exceptions - such as piano (when present) at the bottom, or a >> solo singer at the top. >>If I recall correctly, Schubert's Octet has the score arranged in the >> order: Clarinet; Horn; Bassoon; Violin 1; Violin 2; Viola; Cello; >> Double-Bass. (The Horn is another exception to orchestral practice - put >> above the Bassoon, in average order of descending pitch, so classifying all >> the wind together.) >>Beethoven's Septet (with almost the same instrumentation) does similarly >> in copies of that score I've seen. >>So I would feel safe in doing what I just listed above. >>Hope that helps a little. >> >> Michael Edwards. >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
Forgot bass clarinet, I’d put it under the clarinet. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jun 11, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Michael Edwards wrote: > > [Michael Meyer:] > >> A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music >> Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, >> and cello. >> >> For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems >> weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano >> in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). >> >> Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! > > I think I would put the soprano at the top, but the rest in normal > orchestral order. > I have an idea that chamber music does usually follow orchestral order, > with a few exceptions - such as piano (when present) at the bottom, or a solo > singer at the top. > If I recall correctly, Schubert's Octet has the score arranged in the > order: Clarinet; Horn; Bassoon; Violin 1; Violin 2; Viola; Cello; > Double-Bass. (The Horn is another exception to orchestral practice - put > above the Bassoon, in average order of descending pitch, so classifying all > the wind together.) > Beethoven's Septet (with almost the same instrumentation) does similarly > in copies of that score I've seen. > So I would feel safe in doing what I just listed above. > Hope that helps a little. > > Michael Edwards. > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
[Michael Meyer:] A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, and cello. For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! I think I would put the soprano at the top, but the rest in normal orchestral order. I have an idea that chamber music does usually follow orchestral order, with a few exceptions - such as piano (when present) at the bottom, or a solo singer at the top. If I recall correctly, Schubert's Octet has the score arranged in the order: Clarinet; Horn; Bassoon; Violin 1; Violin 2; Viola; Cello; Double-Bass. (The Horn is another exception to orchestral practice - put above the Bassoon, in average order of descending pitch, so classifying all the wind together.) Beethoven's Septet (with almost the same instrumentation) does similarly in copies of that score I've seen. So I would feel safe in doing what I just listed above. Hope that helps a little. Michael Edwards. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
My preference for that instrumentation would be: Soprano, clarinet, violin, & cello. Orchestra order be damned! *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Jun 11, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Michael Meyer wrote: > > Hoping for the (not-necessarily-Finale) knowledge of the list! > > A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music > Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, > and cello. > > For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems > weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano > in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). > > Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! > > — Mike > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
Chamber music is most usually ordered high to low, with solo instrument or voice at the top, and piano at the bottom. So for this consort I would put it almost exactly as you wrote it (violin above clarinet, though): voice violin clarinet bass clarinet cello Christopher > On Mon Jun 11, at MondayJun 11 3:17 PM, Michael Meyer > wrote: > > Hoping for the (not-necessarily-Finale) knowledge of the list! > > A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music > Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, > and cello. > > For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems > weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano > in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). > > Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! > > — Mike > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] OT: score order for a chamber group
Hoping for the (not-necessarily-Finale) knowledge of the list! A student of mine wrote their end-of-year composition project for my Music Theory class for soprano accompanied by clarinet, violin, bass clarinet, and cello. For a chamber group, what order would you put the instruments in? It seems weird to put them in strict orchestral order (which would put the soprano in the middle, and I would think she should be at the top). Happy to hear opinions! Thanks! — Mike ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Working with Independent Time Signatures
That did the trick --thanks , Raymond! -- B enjamin On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:51 PM Raymond Horton wrote: > I believe you can apply a staff style to just individual sections of the > document. > > Raymond Horton > Composer, Arranger > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church > Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 > Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 12:53 PM Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music < > ayottemu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I am working with a score in which all of the instruments are set to time > > signature as an independent element. There is a lot of interplay between > > simple and compound division in the work. However, at some points the > time > > signature is uniform in all parts. Is there a way to apply a global time > > signature even though each staff is set to independent time, or must I > > apply the signature to each staff separately? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Benjamin Ayotte > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Working with Independent Time Signatures
I believe you can apply a staff style to just individual sections of the document. Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 Visit us at rayhortonmusic.com On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 12:53 PM Dr. Ben @ Ayotte Music wrote: > Dear List, > > I am working with a score in which all of the instruments are set to time > signature as an independent element. There is a lot of interplay between > simple and compound division in the work. However, at some points the time > signature is uniform in all parts. Is there a way to apply a global time > signature even though each staff is set to independent time, or must I > apply the signature to each staff separately? > > Thanks in advance, > Benjamin Ayotte > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Working with Independent Time Signatures
Dear List, I am working with a score in which all of the instruments are set to time signature as an independent element. There is a lot of interplay between simple and compound division in the work. However, at some points the time signature is uniform in all parts. Is there a way to apply a global time signature even though each staff is set to independent time, or must I apply the signature to each staff separately? Thanks in advance, Benjamin Ayotte ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Slur metatool
Oh yes, I forgot about the slur metatool. There is only a metatool to SELECT the slur, which is S. But as I mentioned, I leave the slur selected all the time, so I never use the metatool for that. You still have to double-click the first slurred note. If you release immediately, it creates a two-note slur. If you double-click and drag, you can create a three or more note slur. No shortcuts, I’m afraid. Christopher > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:57 AM, martin nickless wrote: > > Thank you very much for your answer so may I ask > What is the short ccut to get to smart shapes (from speedy entry ) and > then what is the metaltool to press to add slurs quickly > > Also I meant to ask in my question when in speedy entry what is the quick > way to add a tie? at the moment I’m having to press equals which is a bit > clumsy thanks again Martin > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 at 12:51, Christopher Smith < > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > >> Unfortunately, if you are in Speedy you have to change tools to get slurs >> in. The Smart Shape tool remembers what item you have clicked on, so I >> leave it selecting the slur, and use metatools for OTHER Smart Shapes (< >> and > for cresc and dim, mostly.) >> >> There are assignable metatools to select the TOOL, though! So you can >> switch quickly to the Smart Shape Tool and switch back to Speedy without >> having to move the mouse over to the toolbar, then again to switch back. >> >> Christopher >> >> >> >>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Martin Nickless >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi there I know this is a basic question could someone tell me the best >> way to enter slurs in finale 25 I use mostly speedentry >>> I m on windows 10 >>> assume it would be via a metatool again if someone can explain how to >> use the metatool >>> That would be great thanks >>> Martin >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Slur metatool
You have to assign the shortcut to get to a tool. This answer is from Peter
Thomsen.
"In the Mac version of Finale you can program eight tool metatools to the
keyboard shortcuts {ctrl + one the the keys F - G - H - J - K - L - semicolon
(;) - feet (')}
(on the middle row of the alphabet keyboard).
To program a tool metatool, hold down ctrl and alt, and press one of the eight
keys F - G - H - J - K - L - semicolon (;) - feet (').
The dialog box Master Tool Palette appears, letting you choose the tool you
want to assign to the key you pressed."
Me talking now. To add a tie in Speedy the = button is very close by on a
full-sized keyboard on the number keypad. On a laptop you might find T to be
easier to hit. It does the same thing, and is easy to remember (T = tie).
Christopher
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:57 AM, martin nickless wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for your answer so may I ask
> What is the short ccut to get to smart shapes (from speedy entry ) and
> then what is the metaltool to press to add slurs quickly
>
> Also I meant to ask in my question when in speedy entry what is the quick
> way to add a tie? at the moment I’m having to press equals which is a bit
> clumsy thanks again Martin
>
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 at 12:51, Christopher Smith <
> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, if you are in Speedy you have to change tools to get slurs
>> in. The Smart Shape tool remembers what item you have clicked on, so I
>> leave it selecting the slur, and use metatools for OTHER Smart Shapes (<
>> and > for cresc and dim, mostly.)
>>
>> There are assignable metatools to select the TOOL, though! So you can
>> switch quickly to the Smart Shape Tool and switch back to Speedy without
>> having to move the mouse over to the toolbar, then again to switch back.
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Martin Nickless
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there I know this is a basic question could someone tell me the best
>> way to enter slurs in finale 25 I use mostly speedentry
>>> I m on windows 10
>>> assume it would be via a metatool again if someone can explain how to
>> use the metatool
>>> That would be great thanks
>>> Martin
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Finale] Slur metatool
Thank you very much for your answer so may I ask What is the short ccut to get to smart shapes (from speedy entry ) and then what is the metaltool to press to add slurs quickly Also I meant to ask in my question when in speedy entry what is the quick way to add a tie? at the moment I’m having to press equals which is a bit clumsy thanks again Martin On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 at 12:51, Christopher Smith < christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > Unfortunately, if you are in Speedy you have to change tools to get slurs > in. The Smart Shape tool remembers what item you have clicked on, so I > leave it selecting the slur, and use metatools for OTHER Smart Shapes (< > and > for cresc and dim, mostly.) > > There are assignable metatools to select the TOOL, though! So you can > switch quickly to the Smart Shape Tool and switch back to Speedy without > having to move the mouse over to the toolbar, then again to switch back. > > Christopher > > > > > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Martin Nickless > wrote: > > > > Hi there I know this is a basic question could someone tell me the best > way to enter slurs in finale 25 I use mostly speedentry > > I m on windows 10 > > assume it would be via a metatool again if someone can explain how to > use the metatool > > That would be great thanks > > Martin > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Slur metatool
Unfortunately, if you are in Speedy you have to change tools to get slurs in. The Smart Shape tool remembers what item you have clicked on, so I leave it selecting the slur, and use metatools for OTHER Smart Shapes (< and > for cresc and dim, mostly.) There are assignable metatools to select the TOOL, though! So you can switch quickly to the Smart Shape Tool and switch back to Speedy without having to move the mouse over to the toolbar, then again to switch back. Christopher > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: > > Hi there I know this is a basic question could someone tell me the best way > to enter slurs in finale 25 I use mostly speedentry > I m on windows 10 > assume it would be via a metatool again if someone can explain how to use the > metatool > That would be great thanks > Martin > Sent from my iPhone > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Slur metatool
Hi there I know this is a basic question could someone tell me the best way to enter slurs in finale 25 I use mostly speedentry I m on windows 10 assume it would be via a metatool again if someone can explain how to use the metatool That would be great thanks Martin Sent from my iPhone ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
