Re: [Finale] TAN - Use of sz ligature: opinions?
Can I say something too? I just joined this Finale mailing list and I'm reading the discussions with interest. As now about the ß: For my work on music by Buxtehude I studied the old German handwriting, the Sütterlin Schrift. And in that writing I would definitely say that the ß is a contraction, a ligature of the s (the f-like character) and the z (normally going under the baseline, but now starting high up). Also I'm glad to hear that the general opinion is to keep the original spelling, as I incline to do so. But there are other things. As Buxtehude is even older, his spelling is also more antique (with words like seyn). That would make the edition somewhat archaic. And moreover, in those days people were not as consequent with spelling as we are today. You see todt and tod alongside of each other. Obviously spelling didn't really matter in those days. So I would say it is up to the editor to choose to use modern spelling (keeping the ß) and thereby losing the time flavor. Or he can stick to the original spelling. I think it is also a question of the purpose of the edition. Mark D Lew wrote: I do of course realize that, in spite of its name, the glyph is the equivalent of a double s, not an s and a z. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Dumb question: how to get barline at the start of the staff for a lead sheet?
Hi fellow listers, For the first time I've been called upon to put together a fake book-style lead sheet for one of my students. One of the peculiarities of this format is that the barline at the left-hand end of the system uses a barline, to the left of where the clef would go, even though there's only one staff in the system. I don't *have* to get my Finale sheet looking just the same as the handwritten one I'm transposing, but I'm curious to know what trick I have to pull to get Finale to show me a barline at the left-hand end of the system. Anyone know? Best, -Will -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dumb question: how to get barline at the start of thestaff for a lead sheet?
Eric wrote: Um, Document Options-Barlines-Left Barlines Display on Single Staves Wow, now I really *do* feel dumb. But seriously, I looked this up under barlines in the User Manual and I wasn't able to find it. Thanks! -Will -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN - Use of sz ligature: opinions?
David W. Fenton wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting the sz from -- that is not what it is at all. If you look at it in German schrift (i.e., handwriting), it's quite clear that it's two s's, one the f-like version followed by a crook to a regular lower-case s. I am not sure where this interpretation comes from, but I don't think it is correct. The hadnwritten sz in old German handwriting is made up from a long, or middle word s, and a handwritten z, which looks almost like a 3. I am pretty sure that this is the original ligature. But then I wouldn't dare to call myself an expert on this (although I did learn the old German handwriting and can both read and write it). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plugins for Mac yet?
Me too!! Johannes Andrew Levin wrote: Just curious, Has anyone taken the original Mac JW plugin source code and made them OS X native? I sure do miss them. Thanks. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Opening old file (Newport font)
I've been with the company nearly 7 years, and I've never seen the box. My understanding is that we stopped selling it 2 or 3 years before I got here. On 2/14/05 7:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Did Coda abandoned Newport all together? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac 2005b + Times
I looked at your file, and it is strange, the dialog to pick a font should fire 3 or 4 times, and doesn't. I'll look into it further... Allen On 2/14/05 1:43 PM, A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Allen Fisher / 05.2.14 / 11:39 AM wrote: Hmm. Not sure. I just took a couple of files through and it worked. You wanna send me the file off-list? The file I just posted, as I mentioned, contains Newport, and Finale does nothing when I run Check Font Against System. The file is here: http://www.a-no-ne.com/music/finale/Tinzy.sit ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is the finale list working? No messages for a couple of days
Message received through the finale list. Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plugins for Mac yet?
The code is on Jari's site. Not all of it, but he will give the rest to anyone who requests it. Some of us were kicking around the idea of pooling some money to pay someone knowledgeable to port it over, but it's a losing proposition for several reasons. First of all, it will need maintenance. How will we keep paying for that? A hundred bucks or so spread out among the members every time a new version of Finale comes out? What happens if the supporters don't upgrade right away? Would it be fair to to ask for more money if the person isn't going to use the result? Secondly, part of Jari's agreement to release the code is that other people won't charge for it. So even if someone like Robert Patterson or Tobias Geisen does it, they won't be able to distribute it even for the tiny licence fee they normally charge for their plugins, and they get saddled with all the administration duties with no remuneration in sight. It's going to be hard to convince someone to do it, I think. Unless MakeMusic takes it over? Christopher On Tuesday, February 15, 2005, at 09:03 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: I remember Jari mentioning that he intended to release the source code, but I don't recall him ever actually announcing that the source code was released. However, I miss his plugins as well, and I hope that right after he releases the code somebody knowledgeable will pick it up and adapt it. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:53:29 +, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too!! Johannes Andrew Levin wrote: Just curious, Has anyone taken the original Mac JW plugin source code and made them OS X native? I sure do miss them. Thanks. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Second MIDI input device
For years I have configured Finale for multiple MIDI output devices but only one input device. Now, though, I find under Panther that I am able to hook up my keyboard simultaneously as two different input devices. (The keyboard can switch between two MIDI outs, which connect to my Mac through different MIDI interfaces. I do this to test programs, especially Finale and Finale plugins, with both MIDI interfaces.) Does the collective wisdom here have experience with secondary input devices? The Finale MIDI setup assigns them channel ranges, but I don't understand what impact (if any) the different channel assignments have on how the input works with Finale. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT: French diacritics (was: German sz)
In fact, all the French accent marks represent suppressed Latin consonants or syllables. They were introduced in the 17th c. in response to the then widely held notion that all language change represented a decline from an original, God-given perfection. The French accents were intended to rope the language more firmly to its superior Latin ancestor. Similar tinkering was done with English at the same time: this is when island got its S, to make it more like Latin insula--and so on. (BTW, the Latin and English words have no actual connection. Iland originally meant egg-land, from the shape--compare German Eier.) Another such change introduced at that time was the use of exclamation points to imitate the Latin vocative case: x-tad-biggerPretty! in amber to observe the forms / Of hairs, or straws, or dirt, or grubs, or worms. This usage was dropped after a couple of centuries--too bad the island S wasn't. /x-tad-biggerAndrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW plugins for Mac yet?
FWIW: I plan to convert JW Space Systems in the near future, assuming no one else has done it yet. That's the only one of those I use, but I depend on it heavily. If so, I'll send the binary back to Jari for distro from his website. I've never been able to figure out the built-in Finale system spacing. Perhaps someone who has could enlighten the list. -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...So even if someone like Robert Patterson or Tobias Geisen does it... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Second MIDI input device
I never said I was opposed to upgrading. Only that I was opposed to upgrading without a sufficient reason. I was just wondering what it was you came across that tipped the issue. Finally, if I was going to upgrade, I wanted to do it before Tiger came out. I like my OS versions to be mature and tested, but Tiger will be as green as Tennessee is orange. For a couple of years, during the OS9/OSX changeover, we just settled into using Finale 2001d. While it was all very predictable, when we moved over to Finale 2005 the state of the guitar and tab implementation made me regret not playing a more active part in trying to shape the development by reporting bugs etc. I'm not even on the beta team and you can only do so much. I'm not trying to extrapolate the point out to the OS, where individually we're even more insignificant, but with a program like Finale it's small enough, in my (new!) view, to warrant keeping up to date with, or at least keeping multiple copies running side by side. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] upgrading Finale (was: Second MIDI input device)
I upgraded to every version of Finale from v1.0 thru Fin97. Since then I have been upgrading about every other year: Fin00, Fin02, Fin03, and recently Fin05. My reason for skipping was invariably that the benefits did not outweigh the pain. (Fin04 had substantial benefits but also even worse pain for OS9 users.) But in fact I have all the versions due to my plugin involvement. When I speak of upgrading Finale, what I mean is that I actually used that version for my own Finale work. And this is a significant distinction. I have much less aversion to upgrading Finale because I am forced to understand each version's idiosyncracies in such detail anyway. I usually know what I'm getting into. But FWIW, I never start using a version for my own work until after the maintenance release. I have followed that policy since long before plugins. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN - Use of sz ligature: opinions?
On Feb 15, 2005, at 5:21 AM, d. collins wrote: Mark D Lew écrit: Usually, but not always -- âmeanima, sûrsecurus, chaîncatena, rôlerotulus. In these cases, it's more than a consonant that became silent: a whole syllable. Well, you could say the same of some of the s ones, eg îleisola. Anyway, I didn't mean to offer any theory about how the words, or the symbol, evolved. I was only noting that when I think of cognates in other Romance languages I notice the missing consonant and it isn't always an s. With âme, my first thought is actually alma, not anima. (And even in some of these cases, the circumflex does take the place of an s in the evolution. Chaîne comes from catena, of course, but the form that precedes chaîne is chaisne (See Littré: Pour porter au col, eut une chaisne d'or, RAB. Garg. I, 8. Tandis que tu as gardé le silence [dit Apelles à Megabysus], tu sembloies quelque grande chose à cause de tes chaisnes et de ta pompe, MONT. IV, 49.)) Thanks, I didn't know about chaisne. My Petit Robert, in its brief etymology, mentions chaeine from 1080, but no chaisne. The pattern of a syllable reducing to just e and then becoming a circumflex is also indicated in securussegurseürsûr. Again, I'm just noticing and speculating here. I'm really not studied in this at all (though I do find it interesting). mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
