Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread William Roberts
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: It occurs to me, too, that Sibelius, in order to obtain the competitive upgrade requires you to send them your MakeMusic! distribution disk. That's not how I read it. It says on Sibelius's web site: You must provide proof of ownership of Finale, Encore, or Mosaic

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
William Roberts quoted the Sibelius website You must provide proof of ownership of Finale, Encore, or Mosaic by mailing the first and second pages of your table of contents in your user manual or send us your original program CD. in response to my comment It occurs to me, too, that Sibelius, in

[Finale] Second ending backward ties

2005-04-27 Thread Christopher Smith
Hey, what gives? FinMac2005a In 3/4 time, I have a one-bar first ending with a dotted halfnote B tied from the previous bar. The second ending is the same. But when I enter a backwards tie on the SECOND ending B, I get TWO ties, one half-tie as I expect, but also another complete tie attaching

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread dhbailey
ER @ HOME wrote: Hello, I'm soliciting advice and input regarding making the BIG Switch from FinMAC 2002/'03 to Sibelius 3.1 (OS X). I'm an expert user of Finale (up and running since the infamous US$1000.00 version 1.0) and am able to work very quickly and efficiently in FinMAC 2002/Mac OS 9.2.2.

Re: [Finale] My Long Post on Clip Files Combining Movements

2005-04-27 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: Did this post go through? If so, can anyone tell me why they have nothing to say in response? Am I the only person on the list trying to combine files using clip file copying? I think I recall having received it -- I don't use clip files so I had nothing to say. --

Re: [Finale] Second ending backward ties

2005-04-27 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Here is what you do: First set up your first and second ending. The trick will only work in a second ending, so this has to be set up first. Then, select the Speedy tool, and option-click on the second ending measure. In the dialog which then appears select the check box Tie End (near the

[Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Jonathan Smith
Hello, I'm soliciting advice and input regarding making the BIG Switch from FinMAC 2002/'03 to Sibelius 3.1 (OS X). I'm an expert user of Finale (up and running since the infamous US$1000.00 version 1.0) and am able to work very quickly and efficiently in FinMAC 2002/Mac OS 9.2.2. Eric, I still

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread William Roberts
Noel wrote: and I would say in my defense that since I did not begin with Finale until 2k, I do not even have a user's manual from which to provide a first or second page. You didn't get a little tutorial book with your copy of Finale? My first version of Finale was 2002, and that

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
You will find no increase in working speed by using Sibelius over Finale in OS X. In reality, it will be slower and far more frustating especially if you are an ex Absolutely! If you don't want to do something they way it wants to do it, then be prepared to simply compramise your final output

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread John Howell
At 10:47 PM -0400 4/26/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jacki, I hate to the bearer of bad news, but both examples in your snapshot are wrong. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY I have to agree with Darcy 100%, Jacki. Example 1 looks like a student's first attempt to notate rhythms taken

Re: [Finale] Engraver Font Display

2005-04-27 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, John Abram wrote: Does anyone use Engraver font besides me? I use it as my default font. I find it by far the most attractive and legible of all the music fonts available today. I'm on Fin Mac 2004 OS X.3.9 At most zoom levels, sharp signs look awful - Does anyone

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Jacki Barineau
Thanks a bunch, everyone, for the bad news! I'd rather know what's wrong than continue to notate incorrectly! I just feel so rusty on all this - it was over 20 years ago that I was in college as a composition major, and I'm really just now getting back into serious notating! So I appreciate you

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Taris L Flashpaw
That's older practice. Modern practice is to beam it as you would instrumental music, regardless of syllables. Use slurs to mark the syllables, but beam to show the beats. There's nothing I hate more as a singer than looking at a page of old music and seeing a mass of un-beamed notes. Twelve

[Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
I'm using a couple of 19 CRT monitors in 1600*1200 these days, and have been losing the mouse pointer a lot - usually when I return to the puter with a big mug of tea and a couple of hot tea cakes (real butter of course). I remember someone else mentioning this exact problem, and have found

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Andrew Stiller
Noel wrote: and I would say in my defense that since I did not begin with Finale until 2k, I do not even have a user's manual from which to provide a first or second page. Sure you do. Just print out the first two pages of the OLD. Voilà! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press

Re: [Finale] Maestoso et cetera

2005-04-27 Thread Giovanni Andreani
Hello to all members I've just now read the messages about the Maestoso mailing occurred to some of the members on this list. I'm partially involved in the Maestoso project and can say that the web and email servers are controlled by an external company which manages hosting and mailing; the

[Finale] RE: Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Ryan Beard
Hi Jacki If I can point out a couple things: In the first measure, I believe you want a word extension rather than a hyphen between of and my. It should look like this: In the si-lence of__ my sor-row… Fin2004 will do word extensions for you automatically if you have that turned on in the

Re: [Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
There are several different windows solutions, none of which would be any good to you ;-) Thankyou for that Phil, your solution would cost me many thousands in hardware and software replacement, I was thiking of keeping it below $10 :) Simon Troup

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 9:25, William Roberts wrote: Perhaps I'm just a pragmatist at heart and not easily swayed by philosophy, but it seems to me that if a third-party format is already supported by other applications (like MusicXML is), so that no especial effort has to be entered into in order

Re: [Finale] Maestoso spiced meat in a can

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 12:17, Guy Hayden wrote: Well, that's not the way it works. First the filters identify a potential spam message. Then, for ease of identity it adds the word SPAM to the subject line. I have my own options set to send anything with the word SPAM into a special junk mail

Re: [Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread John Bell
On 27 Apr 2005, at 18:33, Simon Troup wrote: There are several different windows solutions, none of which would be any good to you ;-) Thankyou for that Phil, your solution would cost me many thousands in hardware and software replacement, I was thiking of keeping it below $10 :) Here's an

Re: [Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread Michael Cook
I'm very happy with Mouse Locator which is free and can be found here: http://www.2point5fish.com/ Michael Cook On 27 Apr 2005, at 19:05, Simon Troup wrote: I'm using a couple of 19 CRT monitors in 1600*1200 these days, and have been losing the mouse pointer a lot - usually when I return to the

Re: [Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Simon Troup / 05.4.27 / 01:05 PM wrote: I'm using a couple of 19 CRT monitors in 1600*1200 these days, and have been losing the mouse pointer a lot Check this out: http://www.boinx.com/mousepose/ -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com

Re: [Finale] Maestoso spiced meat in a can

2005-04-27 Thread Guy Hayden
@#$*% I know it is my problem. All I asked was that if you were going to reply to the SPAM subject, please change the subject line because otherwise I was going to have to move you manually back to my allowed list. I did not ask for nor do I not want any advice about how to configure my

[Finale] keyboard instruments in Finale

2005-04-27 Thread Jamin Hoffman
Dear fountain of wisdom - I'm sure this is in the manual somewhere, but I can't find it - For dual-staff keyboard instruments, does Finale automatically assume that expression marks in one staff affect the other, too? If so, can this be turned off or on? Sometimes I want this (most of the

[Finale] [FinWin2k3] Voice 2 Tie over bars

2005-04-27 Thread themark
I made a bar with a line in Voice 1 where last eight ties to a note in the next bar, then I created a line in voice 2 that counterpoints voice 1 but also has the last eight which should tie itself to a note in the next bar. I tried all ways but this tie in voice 2 goes backwards to the first

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
Jacki, The beaming is now correct. However, the music is still unnecessarily difficult to read because your spacing is quite distorted. For instance, m.33 beat 2, it looks like there is almost *more* space between the two sixteenth notes than there is between the eighth note and the sixteenth

Re: [Finale] keyboard instruments in Finale

2005-04-27 Thread Jari Williamsson
Jamin Hoffman wrote: For dual-staff keyboard instruments, does Finale automatically assume that expression marks in one staff affect the other, too? If so, can this be turned off or on? Sometimes I want this (most of the time, I guess) but sometimes, I don't. Expressions affects the MIDI channel

[Finale] Re: Engraver Font Display

2005-04-27 Thread John Abram
On 27 Apr 2005 , at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, John Abram wrote: Does anyone use Engraver font besides me? I use it as my default font. I find it by far the most attractive and legible of all the music fonts available

Re: [Finale] TAN: The Lost Mouse

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
http://www.boinx.com/mousepose/ Ah yeah ... that's the one I posted! :) What's nice about this is that I don't feel so stupid now I've seen how many solutions there are, it makes you feel completely dumb forgetting where the pointer is. Simon Troup

Re: [Finale] Maestoso spiced meat in a can

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
I am certain I am not the only user who is experiencing some difficultly because other users do not wish to be considerate of a simple and not unrealistic request. Okay, without getting shirty, can you answer this one question just so I'm clear. Can you change the prefixing to something like

[Finale] wow, all this over a little $PAM

2005-04-27 Thread James E. Bailey
I mean, really. Are we Am 27.04.2005 um 11:49 schrieb Simon Troup: I am certain I am not the only user who is experiencing some difficultly because other users do not wish to be considerate of a simple and not unrealistic request. Okay, without getting shirty, can you answer this one question just

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Robert Patterson
I share the skepticism towards the value of ETF as an archiving format, as compared with something like MusicXML. ETF is nothing more than a text representation of the binary .mus file. The only sense in which it is open is in the fact that it is text. The short document that Makemusic

Re: [Finale] wow, all this over a little $PAM

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
I mean, really. Are we Sorry I don't follow. Are we what? Simon Troup ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Maestoso spiced meat in a can

2005-04-27 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Apr 26, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Guy Hayden wrote: The anti-spam function on my ISP blocks any message with Spam in the subject line. Some programs (Norton Anti-Spam, for example) add a spamers address to the users blocked senders list. I have had to manually remove almost a dozen of you from my

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Taris L Flashpaw wrote, with respect to the practice of beaming choral or vocal music to syllables: That's older practice. Modern practice is to beam it as you would instrumental music, regardless of syllables. but I would note that what Taris describes as Modern Practice is by no means

Re: [Finale] Engraver Font Display

2005-04-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dennis suggested: But it would be interesting to know which [music] font others prefer and use (Finale music fonts or other). I am with Andrew, and generally use Engraver as my default music font. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] wow, all this over a little $PAM

2005-04-27 Thread James E. Bailey
sorry, it didnt finish. Are we really this bored? Am 27.04.2005 um 12:52 schrieb Simon Troup: I mean, really. Are we Sorry I don't follow. Are we what? Simon Troup ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] wow, all this over a little $PAM

2005-04-27 Thread James E. Bailey
sorry, it didnt finish. Are we really this bored? Am 27.04.2005 um 12:52 schrieb Simon Troup: I mean, really. Are we Sorry I don't follow. Are we what? Simon Troup ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] wow, all this over a little $PAM

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
sorry, it didnt finish. Are we really this bored? Quite a number of people on the list confirmed getting the email in question. Personally I always try to stay vigilant about opt-out boxes but you can't always be. I'm suspecting now that as not everyone on the list got the email then perhaps

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Friends, While I knew some of what Robert Patterson wrote, about ~.ETF, I was unaware of some of the details he provides, and factoring those into the equation, I'll admit that it's something like the mini-spare tires automakers in the U.S. currently provide as standard with most vehicles.

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Owain Sutton
John Howell wrote: The first printed polyphonic music shows up in the early 16th century, 1501 in Venice, to be exact. This was music printed from movable type, which means that each piece of type had a single note shape or a single rest shape on it. So beaming was physically impossible and

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Owain Sutton
Owain Sutton wrote: And my other point - Petrucci did use ligatures, although he made the pragmatic decision to limit it to two-note ligatures. This was within the reasonable bounds of the extra pieces of type necessary, whereas three-note ligatures would entail hundreds of new pieces. Oh,

Re: [Finale] Second ending backward ties

2005-04-27 Thread Christopher Smith
On Apr 27, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Here is what you do: First set up your first and second ending. The trick will only work in a second ending, so this has to be set up first. Then, select the Speedy tool, and option-click on the second ending measure. In the dialog which then

Re: [Finale] Maestoso spiced meat in a can

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 14:14, Guy Hayden wrote: My sainted grandmother used to say, Profferd advice stinks! Asking other people to change the subjects of their email messages to fix a problem on your end seems self-centered to me. You should complain to your ISP to see if they can fix it. I know

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 17:33, John Howell wrote: The actual engraving of music--technical use of the term here, meaning the use of a sharp steel engraving tool to write the music, backwards, on a soft copper plate--dates from the 17th century, and since the engraver was literally drawing the

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread John Howell
At 11:38 PM +0100 4/27/05, Owain Sutton wrote: John Howell wrote: The first printed polyphonic music shows up in the early 16th century, 1501 in Venice, to be exact. This was music printed from movable type, which means that each piece of type had a single note shape or a single rest shape on

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread Christopher Smith
On Apr 27, 2005, at 9:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why are you limiting your discussion to printed music? Manuscript music of the 17th and 18th centuries continues to use the practice you seem to be arguing was created as a result of using movable type. And now some computer-engraved music

Re: [Finale] Another Notation Question!

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 22:56, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 27, 2005, at 9:34 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Why are you limiting your discussion to printed music? Manuscript music of the 17th and 18th centuries continues to use the practice you seem to be arguing was created as a result of

[Finale] ACK!!!! Stuck clef tool!

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
Well, after using the Patterson Mass Copy plug-in, now when I select the Clef tool, any time I click in a measure I get a bass clef 8ba wherever I click. I don't have any keys stuck on my keyboard and I don't know what I could have done to make this happen. It happens in any Finale file, not

Re: [Finale] ACK!!!! Stuck clef tool!

2005-04-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Apr 2005 at 23:16, David W. Fenton wrote: Well, after using the Patterson Mass Copy plug-in, now when I select the Clef tool, any time I click in a measure I get a bass clef 8ba wherever I click. I don't have any keys stuck on my keyboard and I don't know what I could have done to

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Simon Troup
I know that Sibelius has a lot of fans but I am not one of them. Does anyone want to buy it from me? I sold mine on eBay for 300. They were happy to transfer the ownership. Simon Troup ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu