I just leave the minimum measure width at zero: works fine. I think
it's set that way anyway in recent versions of the default file. You
never actually get zero-width measures, because Finale always makes
space for the rests.
Michael Cook
On 26 Jul 2005, at 22:45, David W. Fenton wrote:
Mine came this morning - just about to install.
Gary Griffiths
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MakeMusic just emailed to tell me that my Finale 2006
I don't think the importing of ETF files into Sibelius works very well.
I got pretty good results saving a Finale file as MusicXML and
importing that.
Michael Cook
On 27 Jul 2005, at 13:04, dennis c. wrote:
Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo.
Among other
My 2006 has just arrived - lovely dual DVD case with a couple of dual platform
CDs in, and the obligatory Quick Ref guide. Just to let you all know that the
manufacturing and shipping must all be on schedule!
Simon Troup
Digital Music Art
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Andrew Stiller schrieb:
On Jul 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
You should not be manually changing permissions in OS X.
If I did not do so, I would be totally unable to edit any file or folder
ported from System 9, all of which come into OSX with permissions that
lock me
David W. Fenton schrieb:
On 26 Jul 2005 at 11:25, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And you should be repairing permissions regularly in OS X, especially
when you have permissions problems (like with the OS 9 files).
I see this a lot here on the list. Is there any explanation anywhere
of why
David W. Fenton schrieb:
After sending that, it occurred to me that this could be the germ of
a feature request for Finale -- if the minimum measure width could
somehow be tied to a particular meter. That is, if the minimum
measure width applied only to a full measure of the displayed
David W. Fenton schrieb:
The coming Finale 2006 feature that allows you to mark measures as
not included in measure numbering will make this substantially
easier.
Don't expect too much. Personally I am very disappointed by the
functionality of this plugin.
Johannes
--
I have been most sucessful at copying my old Finale files to Sibelius by
importing them then pasting them stave by stave (triple click on a stave,
ctrl+c, then ctrl+v to paste) into a blank, native Sibelius score of the
same design as the imported one.
That seems to make the file mostly like
On Jul 26, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Simon Troup wrote:
Don't know if this is of any help but an apple tech guy told me an
easy way to set permissions when moving between systems is to just
pass any files you want to be able to use through your drop box
(~/Public/Drop Box/)
So what's the Drop Box,
Andrew,
~ is UNIX shorthand for your user folder. Assuming your OS X
username is Andrew Stiller, it's probably called astiller and
located at Macintosh HD/Users/astiller, and it should be marked with a
home icon. Inside, there should be a folder called Public and inside
*that* should be a
On Jul 27, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Where do you keep those files? I have never experiences a problem
like this. You should keep your OS 9 files somewhere inside the
documents folder
Ah, but you see, I don't--I keep them in the Finale folder, which I
keep at root level,
On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Have you ever tried setting it to 0? In my experience this does
exactly what you want. Multi-measure rests are not affected by this
anyway.
My min-measure width has been 0 for about 4 years now, and I have
never had a problem with this.
On 27 Jul 2005, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jul 27, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Where do you keep those files? I have never experiences a problem
like this. You should keep your OS 9 files somewhere inside the
documents folder
Ah, but you see, I don't--I keep them
Andrew Stiller schrieb:
On Jul 27, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Where do you keep those files? I have never experiences a problem
like this. You should keep your OS 9 files somewhere inside the
documents folder
Ah, but you see, I don't--I keep them in the Finale folder,
Andrew Stiller schrieb:
What happens if there's a single empty measure with no displayed
whole-rest?
Nothing. It makes no difference to Finale whether one displays whole
rests or not. The measure is still about a centimeter wide.
Johannes
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http://www.musikmanufaktur.com
Johannes Gebauer / 2005/07/27 / 12:54 PM wrote:
Whatever is the problem with your Flash player thing, before you fix
your permissions the correct way (that includes removing that Finale
folder from the root, it can't be there), there is no way anyone can
help you.
I'd think it is too late.
Hi Dennis,
Sibelius recommends using MusicXML for reading Finale files into
Sibelius 4, especially for files created with Finale 2004 and later. The
MusicXML import creates a more idiomatic Sibelius file than the old ETF
importer, eliminating the need to cut and paste that Richard described.
Text
On 27 Jul 2005 at 11:57, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
David W. Fenton schrieb:
On 26 Jul 2005 at 11:25, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And you should be repairing permissions regularly in OS X,
especially when you have permissions problems (like with the OS 9
files).
I see this a lot here on
On 27 Jul 2005 at 13:04, dennis c. wrote:
Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo.
Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004
files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a
mess that they are just about useless. Has
On 27 Jul 2005 at 12:55, Darcy James Argue wrote:
For crying out loud, of *course* you need to fix permissions on all
your Finale files, if you are storing at the root level of your HD!
The root level of your HD is *not* for your applications and
documents!
Er, why not?
I understand that
Andrew Stiller schrieb:
If I did not do so, I would be totally unable to edit any file or folder
ported from System 9, all of which come into OSX with permissions that
lock me out. It has been a royal pain in the ass changing all those
permissions (Apply to enclosed items does not do what
David W. Fenton / 2005/07/27 / 01:30 PM wrote:
I don't quite understand the fear of changing permissions. In my
experience with OS's with file systems that allow the control of file
access, it's something that *ought* to be something the user has full
control over. Being able to set
Yeah, mine is due in in a couple of days. Can't wait to hear the
chatter revolving around this great event. And of course, I'm sure I'll
have many questions. Like, just upgraded my RAM from 256 to 768 ...
will this be sufficient to do most of the new Finale stuff with the
lite GPO package, or
On 27 Jul 2005 at 13:54, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
David W. Fenton / 2005/07/27 / 01:30 PM wrote:
I don't quite understand the fear of changing permissions. In my
experience with OS's with file systems that allow the control of file
access, it's something that *ought* to be something the user
dennis c. wrote:
Like many of you, I've been fooling around with the Sibelius 4 demo.
Among other things, I tried opening a few fairly simple Finale 2004
files (saved as ETF, as requested by Sibelius), and they are such a mess
that they are just about useless. Has anyone actually managed to
dennis c. wrote:
I didn't see any replies to Johannes' query about the Helskinki font. So
here's what I noticed: You can't use it Finale by simply changing the
default music font (as you'd switch between Maestro and Engraver, for
instance), because of stem problems due to the width of the
My experience with GPO is that more processing power is needed rather
than RAM. My 933Mhz Quicksilver can run like, um, 3 instruments before
things start going south
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah, mine is due in in a couple of days. Can't wait to hear the
chatter revolving around this
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
You should repair permissions using either Disk Utility or Cocktail.
OK, I did that. Flash Player 7 still won't install, surprise surprise,
and still tells me I lack sufficient permissions.
Someone wanna take my question seriously
I've been lightly following this Sibelius font discussion, and felt I
should chime in that a year or so ago I was playing around with the
Opus font to get it to work in Finale (Mac) and got a threat from the
Sibelius lurker in the MM Finale Forums. I gave up on the idea - not
because I
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
~ is UNIX shorthand for your user folder. Assuming your OS X
username is Andrew Stiller, it's probably called astiller and
located at Macintosh HD/Users/astiller, and it should be marked with a
home icon. Inside, there should be a
On 27 Jul 2005, at 3:39 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
You should repair permissions using either Disk Utility or Cocktail.
OK, I did that. Flash Player 7 still won't install, surprise surprise,
and still tells me I lack sufficient
On 27 Jul 2005, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
~ is UNIX shorthand for your user folder. Assuming your OS X
username is Andrew Stiller, it's probably called astiller and
located at Macintosh HD/Users/astiller, and it should be
Rich Caldwell wrote:
I've been lightly following this Sibelius font discussion, and felt I
should chime in that a year or so ago I was playing around with the
Opus font to get it to work in Finale (Mac) and got a threat from the
Sibelius lurker in the MM Finale Forums. I gave up on the
Can any version of Finale import audio files such as an
.mp3, .wav, etc.? I would like to use
an audio overlay as an aide to creating a lead sheet (melody, and chords) when
learning new music. This allows me
to get rhythmic details I might otherwise miss. Currently I am using Sonar for
Hey Dale,
Finale can't currently do this. Sibelius 4 _might_ be able to do this
via their new sync-to-video option, but I kind of doubt it -- I think
that's video only, no sound.
This is a good idea, though -- it would certainly make transcriptions
from audio files easier. You should
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hey Dale,
Finale can't currently do this. Sibelius 4 _might_ be able to do this
via their new sync-to-video option, but I kind of doubt it -- I think
that's video only, no sound.
This is a good idea, though -- it would certainly make transcriptions
from audio
Hi all,
Didn't take me more than 5 minutes after installing today to find my
first buglets, though nothing earth-shattering.
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog, even without GPO sounds.
Memory usage is much higher for comparable simple tasks (several docs
open) than in Fin2004. But
Aaron Sherber said:
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog
We're handling several things up in RAM now that used to be handled by
writing to disk. That's why you're seeing increased RAM usage.
Allen
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At 05:45 PM 7/27/05 -0400, Aaron Sherber wrote:
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog
2005 is a Windows memory hog, too, and they probably should never have
offered it as Win98 compatible. When placing expressions, for example, it
uses up memory quickly on my 98SE 1.4GHz system with Matrox
I'm assuming MacFin 06 will have the same problems?
Dean
On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
Hi all,
Didn't take me more than 5 minutes after installing today to find my
first buglets, though nothing earth-shattering.
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog, even without
Oh, oh ... does that mean my iMac G3 with its lowly 600 or so Mhz ain't
going to run this application at all? Naturally I'm sad, since I
already ordered the thing.
Feeling bad in California
On Jul 27, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
My experience with GPO is that more processing
Dean,
If you look at the recommended system specs for Finale 2006, they
recommend a G4.
Finale 2006 will run on your machine (about as well as earlier OS X
versions), but I doubt you'll be able to do much with the included GPO
instruments.
- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
On
You are correct ... it does say G4. Is there such a thing as an
upgrade for the iMac G3 to increase the Mhz?
Dean
On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Dean,
If you look at the recommended system specs for Finale 2006, they
recommend a G4.
Finale 2006 will run on your
At 05:56 PM 07/27/2005, Fisher, Allen wrote:
We're handling several things up in RAM now that used to be handled by
writing to disk. That's why you're seeing increased RAM usage.
And I'm sure that's why things are faster, which is a good tradeoff.
I'm not complaining about the RAM usage, except
On 27 Jul 2005, at 7:12 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
You are correct ... it does say G4. Is there such a thing as an
upgrade for the iMac G3 to increase the Mhz?
Depends which model iMac... but really, you are *much* better off
getting a Mac mini and a cheap monitor. You can use the
Yeah, it probably will load, but you'd be lucky to get 1 or 2
instruments to run.
Honestly, GPO sounds great, but I'd suggest investing in a separate
computer for it. Like go out, get a Pentium 4 machine, windows, and a
good sound card. And slave it to your Mac Midi setup ;-)
Dean M.
On 27 Jul 2005, at 8:41 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Yeah, it probably will load, but you'd be lucky to get 1 or 2
instruments to run.
Honestly, GPO sounds great, but I'd suggest investing in a separate
computer for it. Like go out, get a Pentium 4 machine, windows, and a
good sound card. And
On 27 Jul 2005 at 15:49, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
~ is UNIX shorthand for your user folder. Assuming your OS X
username is Andrew Stiller, it's probably called astiller and
located at Macintosh HD/Users/astiller, and it should be
On 27 Jul 2005 at 17:45, Aaron Sherber wrote:
Most disappointing so far, because there seems to be no good reason
for it, is that the mixer and studio controls, which look so nice in
the screen shots on the web site and in the brochure (
On 27 Jul 2005 at 17:58, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 05:45 PM 7/27/05 -0400, Aaron Sherber wrote:
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog
2005 is a Windows memory hog, too, and they probably should never have
offered it as Win98 compatible. When placing expressions, for example,
it
I have to do it this way when there are no published alternatives. For
example, an awful lot of George Jones' songs were never published in
sheet music form. (Not that anyone really cares about country music,
right?)
I can synthesize his work using Sonar, but the slurs, etc. can't be
notated by
At 09:14 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
Er, on my screen, your screenshot is far more legible than the one
from the Finale website. The fonts are anything but illegible in the
screenshot.
Are you looking at the light blue font? The one that says Tempo
Tap, [Staff 1] etc. in my screen
Ah, but you see, I don't--I keep them in the Finale folder, which I keep at root level, since it's the most important folder I have, in terms of things I actually work with. And I'm not about to change that, any more than I'm about to store my audio CDs on the second floor of my house when the CD
On 27 Jul 2005, at 9:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 27 Jul 2005 at 15:49, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Yep, there it is, five layers down. How sensible. How useful.
Symbolic links (whatever the OS X term for it) should make that
irrelevant.
They are called aliases. They existed in OS 9 and
David W. Fenton / 2005/07/27 / 09:08 PM wrote:
Many UNIX command-line shells, for instance, accept cd [ENTER] as
the command to take you to your home directory. I would not doubt
that there isn't something very similar implemented in OS X at the
GUI level, similar to Microsoft's ill-named My
At 09:17 PM 7/27/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
You really need to upgrade to a decent version of Windows, Dennis.
I'd suggest Windows 2000 as the only likely candidate.
Alternatively, Windows Server 2003 is the next good version of
Windows, and I hear that many people run it as a workstation
At 6:22 PM -0700 7/27/05, DRD wrote:
I have to do it this way when there are no published alternatives. For
example, an awful lot of George Jones' songs were never published in
sheet music form. (Not that anyone really cares about country music,
right?)
I can synthesize his work using Sonar,
On 27 Jul 2005 at 21:24, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 09:14 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
Er, on my screen, your screenshot is far more legible than the one
from the Finale website. The fonts are anything but illegible in the
screenshot.
Are you looking at the light blue font? The
John Howell / 2005/07/27 / 10:14 PM wrote:
OK, I'm no computer whiz and maybe I'm too dense to follow this, but
since Finale has parts on individual staves, equivalent to MIDI
channels (?), I can't envision taking an audio file that that's
already been mixed to two stereo channels and sucking
At 10:14 PM 7/27/05 -0400, John Howell wrote:
OK, I'm no computer whiz and maybe I'm too dense to follow this, but
since Finale has parts on individual staves, equivalent to MIDI
channels (?), I can't envision taking an audio file that that's
already been mixed to two stereo channels and
On 27 Jul 2005 at 22:01, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 09:17 PM 7/27/05 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
You really need to upgrade to a decent version of Windows, Dennis.
I'd suggest Windows 2000 as the only likely candidate. Alternatively,
Windows Server 2003 is the next good version of
At 10:30 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
Not on my PC:
http://dfenton.com/Mixer.gif
Okay, well now we're just splitting hairs. I'll grant you that the
characters in my screenshot have sharper outlines, but the characters
are all chunky, like an old-fashioned bitmap font. The characters
On 27 Jul 2005 at 22:43, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 10:30 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
Not on my PC:
http://dfenton.com/Mixer.gif
Okay, well now we're just splitting hairs. I'll grant you that the
characters in my screenshot have sharper outlines, but the characters
are all
At 12:28 PM 7/25/2005, you wrote:
I never realized Sibelius was in Walnut Creek, a town I've spent
quite a bit of time i
Interesting. Did you live there at one time?
If you're near there, I suggest you might want to try out some of the
concerts of the California Music Festival. The
At 10:54 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, you've just discovered that Mac anti-aliasing is better than
Windows?
David, do you enjoy picking fights? Because now you're just being
silly. This isn't a question of better anti-aliasing -- the Win
screenshot looks like total crap. If this
At 08:00 PM 7/27/05 -0700, Ken Durling wrote:
http://californiamusicfestival.org/home.html
Wow, that really is an awful site!.
Maybe, but I can't even get it because on Firefox I have Flashblock
installed, and IBM Homepage Reader is a speech reader. With no regular
alternative, it's officially
One moment Aaron Sherber said:
WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog
And a moment later Allen Fisher, of MakeMusic fame, answered:
We're handling several things up in RAM now that used to be handled by
writing to disk. That's why you're seeing increased RAM usage.
And we were saying
*Tap tap*
MakeMusic, make sure you go through the discussion about Sibelius 4, and
do the dynamic parts thing ASAP. And fixings bugs is more important than
Handbell charts.
Andrew Levin wrote:
And we were saying MakeMusic didn't care enough to have someone
monitor this list? I don't know
At 11:15 PM 07/27/2005, Andrew Levin wrote:
And we were saying MakeMusic didn't care enough to have someone
monitor this list? I don't know how long this will continue, or how
official it is, but at least when the product ships someone is
listening. I like that.
Allen Fisher has been around
On 27 Jul 2005 at 23:13, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 10:54 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, you've just discovered that Mac anti-aliasing is better than
Windows?
David, do you enjoy picking fights? Because now you're just being
silly. This isn't a question of better anti-aliasing --
David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, Win98 is based on technology developed in the mid-90s (it's a
minor upgrade to the original Win95, which was a major new version of
Windows). Lots and lots of important things have been introduced to
the NT versions of Windows that make it much more pleasant to
On 27 Jul 2005 at 23:14, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 08:00 PM 7/27/05 -0700, Ken Durling wrote:
http://californiamusicfestival.org/home.html
Wow, that really is an awful site!.
Maybe, but I can't even get it because on Firefox I have Flashblock
installed, and IBM Homepage Reader is a
At 11:38 PM 07/27/2005, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 27 Jul 2005 at 23:13, Aaron Sherber wrote:
This isn't a question of better anti-aliasing -- . . .
It looks like one to me.
Okay. But it's not.
. . . the Win
screenshot looks like total crap. . . .
It's more readable on my screen because
Hi Dennis,
Neither import preserves the layout, nor measure attached
expressions, nor smart shapes (at least not mine)
Layout transfer will be improved when using Finale 2006, and even more
so with the upcoming version 3 of the Dolet for Finale plug-in. But
measure-attached text expressions
At 08:44 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
Here's what I had designed for their website:
http://www.dfenton.com/CMF/
I was going to do it all for free, but the significant other of one
of the Festival board members is a web designer, so he did it (it
was complete nepotism). I was never even told that
David W. Fenton wrote:
The only OS I've ever used that never crashed (in 2 1/2 years without
a reboot) was OS/2.
I have left various NT-based versions of Windows running for months
on end with no reboots except those required for updates to software
or system settings.
If WinXP crashes,
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