[Finale] Silent Staff
Fin mac 2012. I have an orchestral score I'm working on that has one staff (Second violins) that does not sound. It has all the same settings in the score manager as Violin I. All the strings are in several layers, Layer 1 arco, layer 2 pizz, etc. and the second violin part is playing in the other layers, but in layer 1 (arco) it is completely without sound. I have looked for somewhere that it might be muted in that layer, but can't find anything. Anyone know what is going on here? Thanks, Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
This is nuts! Steve P. On 19 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same time in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a this is not a printing error thing. Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that instance, too. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
I agree. My notation experience goes way back to well before computers entered the scene and it was all done by hand. I was schooled in LA where, as is the case pretty much everywhere, you never, ever have enough rehearsal time. So the music should be notated explicitly where absolutely no questions arise. That just wastes time. In overly complicated, non-key-signature pieces, courtesy accidentals are completely warranted, especially in 2-handed parts like piano and harp. 'Go back to school'??? Get over yourself!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same time in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a this is not a printing error thing. Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that instance, too. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re(2): random thoughts on 2014
I agree with J. D. Thomas here: one thing is dealing with the Viennese classical style where, after modulating a fifth above one should know that the original fourth degree has to be raised a semitone, another thing is dealing with other styles, where the insertion of patterns different from the original key or the use of chromatic structures or non tonal structures may not favor one note exclusively for another. As for going to school, I try to do that the most frequently as possible: studying is, for me, a lifetime activity and I personally feel grateful for having the opportunity to do so. Giovanni PS Btw, even the Classical Viennese style can be full of insidious misleading notes that may need a cautionary before them! Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu I agree. My notation experience goes way back to well before computers entered the scene and it was all done by hand. I was schooled in LA where, as is the case pretty much everywhere, you never, ever have enough rehearsal time. So the music should be notated explicitly where absolutely no questions arise. That just wastes time. In overly complicated, non-key-signature pieces, courtesy accidentals are completely warranted, especially in 2-handed parts like piano and harp. 'Go back to school'??? Get over yourself!! J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Ryan Beard ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't go that far. A courtesy accidental is very helpful on those occasions when you really mean to have an F# and and F-nat at the same time in an otherwise tonal piece. More of a this is not a printing error thing. Granted, a non-courtesy would do just fine in that instance, too. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
Nut, I don't know. It is certainly the opinion of one who enjoys the delicious crunchy sound of wrong notes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: This is nuts! Steve P. On 19 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014
Yum!! On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Nut, I don't know. It is certainly the opinion of one who enjoys the delicious crunchy sound of wrong notes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: This is nuts! Steve P. On 19 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: Courtesy accidentals (ANYWHERE) are for the weak. If you *need* them in the part, then that means you're not following the key signature. Back to school! patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014 If you will permit a somewhat differing opinion, I think there are places where cautionaries are necessary, even when there isn't a key change, and I have figured out after many years that NON-parenthesised ones actually are easier to read. I know that parentheses make logical sense, that a parenthesised accidental is kind of like saying, I KNOW you know this, but here's a reminder to differentiate it from one that is absolutely necessary. But from a distance, parentheses around an accidental makes all three (sharp, flat, and natural) into the same outline, so you have to read more closely to see which accidental it actually is. Already, sharps and naturals are easy to confuse with each other; the parentheses make it worse. I keep getting caught by these on the gigs I do where the Finale user is less than professional. And Sibelius seems to have this redundant accidental default that puts in accidentals on the SECOND of two tied notes! Christopher On Sun Nov 10, at SundayNov 10 12:39 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: For those of us with imperfect eyesight, we cannot always see the accidental clearly. If I can see that there is an accidental, then I can make a quick judgment about whether it is most likely a flat, sharp, or natural and be right almost all the time. People who add unnecessary accidental markings without parenthesizing them should be shot, IMHO. And people who pencil in unnecessary accidentals BESIDE notes in the music should also be shot. If one needs a reminder about a note, write the accidental ABOVE the note, with a parenthesis and there will never be any confusion. IMHO, the only time an accidental should be penciled BESIDE a note is when correcting a misprint. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] #5
Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in. Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in. Or the Conductor. See how they ruined them… ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] #5
There's a reason they are called courtesy. Chuck On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey oldm...@yahoo.com wrote: Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in. Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in. Or the Conductor. See how they ruined them… ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
