Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[j...@thomastudios.com]

Darcy is spot on.  Polychords are one chord over another, frequently just two 
triads, separated by a horizontal line.  They can intimate a larger chord form, 
but are usually used when a specific voicing or sound is desired.  As we all 
know, a diagonal line is for an alternate bass note, which again, frequently 
points to a specific chord voicing.  Gm7/C is really a C11, but if you write 
the latter, you’re going to get some moron putting the 3rd in, which conflicts 
with the 11 in a dominant 7th chord.


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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Darcy James Argue  wrote:
> 
> Craig,
> 
> When the two chords are stacked vertically, with a horizontal line separating 
> them, they are played as a polychord, e.g.
> 
> F#
> —
> C
> 
> Chord inversions and chords with an alternate bass are both displayed with a 
> diagonal slash, e.g.,
> 
> F#/C
> 
> (Sometimes the alternate bass is subscript but the important variables here 
> are the diagonal slash and the lack of vertical stacking.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - DJA
> -
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> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:
> 
>> On 2/13/2016 2:15 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne wrote:
>> 
>>> have a look here.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZymO9ZdtwQ
>> 
>> Just a point of curiosity, when your music shows
>> 
>> D
>> ---
>> C
>> 
>> How do you keep the musician from interpreting that as a D chord with a 
>> C bass?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Darcy James Argue]

Craig,

When the two chords are stacked vertically, with a horizontal line separating 
them, they are played as a polychord, e.g.

F#
—
C

Chord inversions and chords with an alternate bass are both displayed with a 
diagonal slash, e.g.,

F#/C

(Sometimes the alternate bass is subscript but the important variables here are 
the diagonal slash and the lack of vertical stacking.)

Cheers,

- DJA
-
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On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Craig Parmerlee  wrote:

> On 2/13/2016 2:15 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne wrote:
> 
>> have a look here.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZymO9ZdtwQ
> 
> Just a point of curiosity, when your music shows
> 
> D
> ---
> C
> 
> How do you keep the musician from interpreting that as a D chord with a 
> C bass?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Jeffrey Quick]

Oh yeah, you could do that. I don't think in chord symbols, and I try 
not to think in 12tET, so the #9 kludge didn't occur to me.

If I were writing polychords for "continuo" in a big band context, I'd 
probably use 2 instruments (Guitar and piano maybe) and split the triads 
between them, so they were timbrally separated. Otherwise, they aren't 
really polychords, but extended tertian structures (not that there's 
anything wrong with that...)

On 2/15/16 10:16 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> On 2/15/2016 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Quick wrote:
>> Things could be
>> dicey if you had both major and minor 3rds (as in an Eb/C pentad).
> Isn't that simply C7#9?
>
> Conventionally the major (E) is voiced a major 7th below the minor (Eb).
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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Craig Parmerlee]

On 2/15/2016 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Quick wrote:
> Things could be
> dicey if you had both major and minor 3rds (as in an Eb/C pentad).

Isn't that simply C7#9?

Conventionally the major (E) is voiced a major 7th below the minor (Eb).

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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

-Lee

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-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:29 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.



The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Craig Parmerlee]

On 2/13/2016 2:15 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne wrote:

> have a look here.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZymO9ZdtwQ

Just a point of curiosity, when your music shows

D
---
C

How do you keep the musician from interpreting that as a D chord with a 
C bass?

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Re: [Finale] Finale failings

[Jeffrey Quick]

On 2/13/16 2:08 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> Hi had it confirmed yesterday by finale that they do not support poly chords 
> !!!
As chord symbols? I can't think of a polychord that couldn't be 
reinterpreted as an extended chord (13th or whatever). Things could be 
dicey if you had both major and minor 3rds (as in an Eb/C pentad). I 
don't work in styles that involve chord symbols much, and when I do, 
they're simple, so I don't know how much this is even a thing.
> Important in the big band arranging
> Also if for example you have written four trombones on one staff then decide 
> you want to remove say trombone 2 and 4 only !! This can't be achieved on 
> finale
> I have a colleague that uses Sibelius, all these things can be done and 
> chords can be entered much faster on the computer keyboard using Sibelius !!
> would look forward to any comments that might prove me wrong
> kind regards
> Martin
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