Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread GERALD BERG
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Nice touch that 4/.q. bracketing. I'm still scratching my head over playing 5 against 4 in triplets at speed! Precision meet

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Patterson
As to your points. >new notation Not really a con, since that's the whole point. >is not intuitive and needs to be explained, Maybe, but only once at most. > does not show conductor subdivisions That's easy enough to show in parts that aren't sustaining. If all the parts are sustaining, it's

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
>No one ever explained it to me, and I got it right away. ymmv sure, but you intuited it, it wasn't a logical extension of the notation. it isn't something one can "figure out", but can deduce, that is what i meant. and i don't think either of us would accept the idea that the norms of

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Patterson
>i think it *does* require explanation No one ever explained it to me, and I got it right away. ymmv Crumb only uses it to fill whole "bars" (though sometimes without barlines, as you see). >in your ex1 why is the end of the 1st measure in the upper piano not a dotted 8th? While not relevant

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
i think it *does* require explanation, it is certainly not self-evident. but you can get away with not explaining it in a legend because there is a surrounding context within which the musician can deduce its sense. but imagine the symbol in a non-metered and solistic situation, e.g.,

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Steve Parker
> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:35, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz > wrote: > > On Tue, December 20, 2016 10:33 am, SN jef chippewa wrote: >> >>> I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar. >> >> like a whole rest? :P > > A whole note with a short right-pointing

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Steve Parker
> On 20 Dec 2016, at 15:33, SN jef chippewa > wrote: > >> >> I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar. > > like a whole rest? :P Ho hum.. that’d do for half the cases. :-) ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Patterson
For anyone who is interested in the notation, here are a couple examples. https://www.dropbox.com/s/e67walobznq1ygl/Crumb-DayOfComet.tiff?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nz3afpyiyx1y4m/Crumb-ZeitgeistEx2.tiff?dl=0 He also uses it extensively in the "Musica Apocalypitca" movement of Star Child.

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Tue, December 20, 2016 10:33 am, SN jef chippewa wrote: > >>I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar. > > like a whole rest? :P A whole note with a short right-pointing arrow, since that's already used for continuation? ___

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
>I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar. like a whole rest? :P -- neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + arts management +

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Steve Parker
> The general assumption, I believe, is that Crumb invented it. One > interesting aspect of it is that it shows up in his scores without > explanation, leaving the musicians to figure it out. Along with a lot of other things.. I’ve seen theses explaining some of them! I’ve never seen it anywhere

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Raymond Horton
The general assumption, I believe, is that Crumb invented it. One interesting aspect of it is that it shows up in his scores without explanation, leaving the musicians to figure it out. Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
ah, ok problem solved. but that brings up another question, of graphic confusion accis-dots. plus the fact that the information for one thing (duration) is now spread in several places and simultaneously requires different types of on-the-fly mental calcs (adding and dividing). i'm not

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Patterson
Alignment is not an issue. The noteheads continue to align exactly as they do now. You just have to make more room for accidentals on the left. So you think Crumb invented it? On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:46 AM, SN jef chippewa < shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote: > > i would never use this

Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread SN jef chippewa
i would never use this notation and would strongly discourage anyone who asked me from using it :-) crumb "invented" a lot of things. so did a lot of other composers. some ideas are good. some ain't. since we write out the full note values in other measures, there is no reason to do

[Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

2016-12-20 Thread Robert Patterson
One of the notation innovations that George Crumb uses is a left-augmentation-dot to create a single note value that fills a 5/4 bar. That is, a whole note with an augmentation dot on both the left and the right. I suppose the logic is that the one on the right adds a half and the one on the left