Re: [Finale] Contrabass playback
From: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Contrabass playback To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed At 8:58 PM +0100 1/25/05, Daniel Wolf wrote: John Howell wrote: At 10:20 PM -0800 1/24/05, Chuck Israels wrote: Of course, if you followed that logic all the way through, you'd write the trombones in the tenor clef a lot of the time, and I don't do that. And I still have to decipher the alto clef for the viola parts (shame on me for not getting used to that by now). If I wrote more string music, I'd probably get to the point where that was as transparent to me as the saxophone transpositions are. You would, I guarantee it. And not only for writing, but for playing. Early music often comes in a variety of clefs, and it's a little scary to start playing a part on, say, tenor recorder, in alto clef, and by the end of the piece be reading automatically! John And don't forget the extra benefit of gaining fluency in all the clefs -- transposition at sight becomes a breeze. IMO, this should still be a part of every musician's training. Yes, and Boulenger was still teaching them, according to one of her students. And don't forget, we're not talking just about orchestral clefs, but the full system of 9 movable clefs: G clef on the 1st or 2nd line; C clef on the first, second, third, or 4th line; F clefs on the 3rd, 4th or 5th line. You need to know the whole system to use it for instant transposition. I write for horn seldom enough that it really helps to think of it as being in mezzo-soprano clef, concert C on the second line. John I can't remember not knowing how to read the grand staff, but C clefs still give me more trouble than they should. I remember, from scoring my symphony for brass, that a tenor clef trombone and a Bb trumpet playing an octave higher use the same lines and spaces. There are other tricks too, I bet. Is the Morris and Ferguson book Preparatory Exercises in Score Reading still in print? That's a good set of exercises to master different clefs. Hope I'm not showing my age... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Violin Sonata Orchestration (Ronald Krentzman)
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:59:23 -0500 From: Ronald Krentzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Violin Sonata Orchestration To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 You might want to check out Kent Kennan's orchestration of the Prokovieff Violin Sonata (although his version is for Clarinet and Orchstra). Luciano Berio also orchestrated both the Brahms Clarinet Sonatas. Ronald Krentzman On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:52:30 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've been contracted to orchestrate a violin sonata -- to effectively convert it into a violin concerto. Does anyone know of any successful orchestrations of this kind I might look at as a reference? - Darcy Mr. Krentzman took the words out of my mouth. Kent Kennan's orchestration of the violin sonata for Clarinet and Orchestra would be a good place to begin studying successful transcriptions of sonatas to concertos. Of course, I may be a bit biased, since Kent hired me to transcribe the string parts. :) (I used an outdated program called A pen and some paper 1.0.) ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Trombone clef in early music
Query: What about modern music? If I write a trombone part in alto clef, will it be tacitly understood that it is an alto trombone part? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Clefs
This raises a totally tangential issue -- why aren't more clefs taught in music lessons at an earlier point? Why is it only those who seem destined for collegiate music study who ever are taught about clefs? Question for you, David -- you play trombone, right? Most woodwinds only need to know one clef. Bassoons excepted, I suppose, and I think there are some old bass clarinet parts written in F clef. Violas need to know treble and alto, and I guess cellos have to know those plus bass. What other non-keyboard instrument needs to know more than one clef? I can't remember not knowing how to read a grand staff (thanks to very early piano lessons). I don't know why C clef always gave me fits when I was studying composition in college. I forced myself to learn it by singing along with the viola part in symphonies; then I noticed that a trombone in tenor clef, doubling a Bb trumpet at the octave, played on the same lines and spaces. In our score-reading classes we'd get 18th century choral scores that were written in soprano, alto, and tenor clefs. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
