Re: [Finale] Lyrics warning (FinWin2014.5)

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

Only the lyrics assignments will be erased; i.e. you can open the lyrics window 
and click-assign them after retranscribe. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 2. mai 2019 kl. 22:02 skrev Barbara Touburg :
> 
> When I retranscribe rhythms (MIDI tool), Finale erases the lyrics!
> Solution: enter music, retranscribe rhythms, then only after that enter the 
> lycics.
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu


___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

Use «Composite Time Signature»> Type 5 in the top left field and 16 below. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 19. okt. 2018 kl. 08:39 skrev Giovanni Andreani :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five 
> sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like 
> I’m missing something.
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Giovanni Andreani
> 
> www.giovanniandreani.com
> www.ga-music.com
> 
> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Finale 26 bug

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

I can confirm that this bug is present in F25, too. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 13. okt. 2018 kl. 21:32 skrev Robert Patterson :
> 
> I'm pretty sure Fin25 also has this behavior.
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 12:26 PM Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Please confirm: try to lasso repeat ending brackets and text in a part in
>> order to nudge them up or down. My experience — nudged once and then lost
>> its grip. Lassoed again — same thing. Once more and it wouldn’t highlight
>> the handles at all.
>> 
>> This is an annoyance, but more importantly, I was suckered in to an
>> expensive upgrade for little benefit.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

Not sure about that (away from office for the weekend...), as I rarely touch 
that setting; so I may very well be wrong here. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 22. apr. 2018 kl. 23:29 skrev Lee Actor :
> 
> So I can have different scaling factors (Document Options->Music 
> Spacing->Spacing Widths) in score and parts?  Are you sure?
> 
> -Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Skjalg Bjørstad
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 12:30 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?
> 
> Your 2) and 3) are not correct.  Music spacing is not linked between score 
> and parts. You can also change clef in parts with staff styles 
> (transposition>set to clef) in part only.  1) and 4) are valid, though. 
> 
> Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.
> 
>> 22. apr. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Lee Actor :
>> 
>> I'm not a regular user of linked parts -- yes, I still make a copy of the
>> score and extract from there -- but I did make a reasonable effort several
>> years ago to incorporate them into my normal work flow.  I gave up after a
>> month or so due to encountering too many situations that required special
>> workarounds, and decided linked parts were costing me more time than they
>> were saving.
>> 
>> So given my admittedly limited knowledge, here are some items that I found
>> to be more trouble in linked parts than it's worth:
>> 1) Cues are a mess, esp. in orchestral scores with 2 wind parts on a staff.
>> 2) Can't have different music spacing in score and parts.  I like my parts
>> closer spaced than the score.
>> 3) Can't have different clefs in score and part (e.g., a high bassoon 1 part
>> might mean tenor clef for bassoon 2 in the score, but should be bass clef in
>> the part).
>> 4) Grace note spacing.
>> 
>> I encountered other issues which can be fairly attributed to pilot error,
>> and some of the above problems may have already been addressed.  I'm ready
>> to embrace linked parts, as soon as the pain of special cases and
>> workarounds is exceeded by the benefits.  Obviously this is a subjective
>> judgement.
>> 
>> -Lee
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Robert Patterson
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:32 AM
>> To: finale
>> Subject: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?
>> 
>> I am starting a new thread because my comments seem to be buried in the
>> recent Dorico thread. I would like to poll this list about what features
>> are missing from Linked Parts. I am doing so with an eye towards a possible
>> plugin to address what can be addressed.
>> 
>> Things that cannot be addressed by a plugin are
>> * allowing special tools in voiced parts
>> * unlinking items that Finale currently can't unlink manually
>> 
>> The kinds of things that are likely to be addressable are in the area of
>> page layout. In fact I already have a plugin that can copy a page layout
>> from one part to another. And Jari has made one that copies everything down
>> to the note spacing. But maybe there are things we've missed or U.I. issues.
>> 
>> What prompts this request is the discussion of Dorico "layouts" which seem
>> very similar to linked parts in Finale. I'm curious if there is
>> functionality there that a plugin could bring to Finale.
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>> 
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
> 
> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

Your 2) and 3) are not correct.  Music spacing is not linked between score and 
parts. You can also change clef in parts with staff styles (transposition>set 
to clef) in part only.  1) and 4) are valid, though. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 22. apr. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Lee Actor :
> 
> I'm not a regular user of linked parts -- yes, I still make a copy of the
> score and extract from there -- but I did make a reasonable effort several
> years ago to incorporate them into my normal work flow.  I gave up after a
> month or so due to encountering too many situations that required special
> workarounds, and decided linked parts were costing me more time than they
> were saving.
> 
> So given my admittedly limited knowledge, here are some items that I found
> to be more trouble in linked parts than it's worth:
> 1) Cues are a mess, esp. in orchestral scores with 2 wind parts on a staff.
> 2) Can't have different music spacing in score and parts.  I like my parts
> closer spaced than the score.
> 3) Can't have different clefs in score and part (e.g., a high bassoon 1 part
> might mean tenor clef for bassoon 2 in the score, but should be bass clef in
> the part).
> 4) Grace note spacing.
> 
> I encountered other issues which can be fairly attributed to pilot error,
> and some of the above problems may have already been addressed.  I'm ready
> to embrace linked parts, as soon as the pain of special cases and
> workarounds is exceeded by the benefits.  Obviously this is a subjective
> judgement.
> 
> -Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
> Robert Patterson
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:32 AM
> To: finale
> Subject: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?
> 
> I am starting a new thread because my comments seem to be buried in the
> recent Dorico thread. I would like to poll this list about what features
> are missing from Linked Parts. I am doing so with an eye towards a possible
> plugin to address what can be addressed.
> 
> Things that cannot be addressed by a plugin are
> * allowing special tools in voiced parts
> * unlinking items that Finale currently can't unlink manually
> 
> The kinds of things that are likely to be addressable are in the area of
> page layout. In fact I already have a plugin that can copy a page layout
> from one part to another. And Jari has made one that copies everything down
> to the note spacing. But maybe there are things we've missed or U.I. issues.
> 
> What prompts this request is the discussion of Dorico "layouts" which seem
> very similar to linked parts in Finale. I'm curious if there is
> functionality there that a plugin could bring to Finale.
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

Don’t know about the others, but the major shortcomings in Finale’s voiced 
linked parts are
-Not access to special tools
-No enharmonic flips

Another limitation for linked part: Plug-ins/Script  not accessible. (Scripts 
are accessible with a workaround, but...)

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 21. apr. 2018 kl. 16:15 skrev Robert Patterson :
> 
> Could you elaborate on what you find lacking in Finale's linked parts vs.
> Sib. (or even Dorico)? Some of that lack might be addressable with a plugin.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, David H. Bailey <
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote:
> 
>> There are professional engraving projects being done with Dorico. If you
>> want to see what it is capable of there are many youtube videos addressing
>> various aspects of Dorico, and I would say that it is indeed capable of
>> very elegant professional, publishable output.
>> 
>> Yes, you read that one of the Dorico users exports to Finale for the
>> finished product -- I haven't read on the Dorico forum that there are
>> others who do that.  I do know there are lots like me who are continuing to
>> work in our notation software of choice while learning the intricacies of
>> Dorico.  I wonder if exporting to Finale simply makes things easier for
>> that person because of a workflow developed over many years of using
>> Finale, while he is learning the more intricate details of the workflow in
>> Dorico to get the same output.
>> 
>> I would say that Dorico is as much a truly professional music engraving
>> tool as Sibelius was when it entered the Windows/Mac marketplace. Several
>> publishers, if I remember correctly, began using it at that time instead of
>> Finale, while some other publishers added Sibelius to their toolbox and
>> used both.
>> 
>> A lot depends on how one defines  "truly professional" -- it's certainly
>> much more professional than either Notion or Forte, two other recent
>> entries into the notation software marketplace, and despite major advances
>> with MuseScore, Dorico is capable of producing much more elegant printed
>> output.  And it's capable of producing output as elegant as Finale's
>> output.  I don't work in avant-garde notation so I can't speak to either
>> Dorico or Sibelius or Finale regarding the ability to accomplish such
>> projects.
>> 
>> I hope I'm wrong about Finale and that your thoughts are more accurate,
>> but to be honest I don't see much advancement in Finale from Finale2014.5
>> to Finale25.  Linked score/parts didn't suddenly become superb and very
>> efficient.  I still find Sibelius's linked score/parts to be much more
>> efficient and easier to use.
>> 
>> But I know that you and Chuck Israel and many others are producing great
>> output with Finale, and I hope development continues, with some major
>> improvements coming soon.  Not only do Finale users need and deserve this
>> sort of thing, but the marketplace does also.  Finale used to lead, then
>> Sibelius hit the marketplace and suddenly Finale was playing catch-up with
>> Sibelius.  Will it need to play catch-up with Dorico as well as Sibelius
>> now?  Or will Finale leap ahead with the next version and force Sibelius
>> and Dorico to catch up to it?
>> 
>> Of course what I'm saying about Finale is also true about Sibelius -- I
>> have heard nothing about Sibelius 8 or 8.5 to make me want to upgrade from
>> 7.1.3, and ever since the takeover by Avid I have been worried about future
>> development of Sibelius.
>> 
>> And ultimately it all boils down to each of us finding and using the tools
>> which allow us to get the desired result with the minimum of effort for us
>> so that most of our effort can be put into the creative side of things.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/21/2018 8:33 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> 
 And with the entry of Dorico at the truly professional music engraving
>>> level
>>> 
>>> Wait. Is Dorico at the truly professional level? All I've heard is that
>>> it has the potential to be but isn't there yet. I mean, one of the Dorico
>>> users in this thread even said they export to Finale for the finished
>>> product. (Which surprised me.)
>>> 
>>> Everything I've heard about the most recent owners of Finale is that they
>>> are quite interested in it. But I haven't heard much about it in recent
>>> months. I hope Michael Johnson's departure was for personal reasons rather
>>> than due to a direction the owners are taking. Meanwhile the rest of the
>>> team (as far as I can tell) seems really engaged and forward looking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:12 AM, David H. Bailey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>On 4/20/2018 7:13 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>>> 
>>>I take your point that they "could" do some of the abstraction
>>>that is
>>>inherent in the newer programs.  I am not seeing anything that
>>>suggests
>>>to me they are at all interested in matching up to Dorico.
>>> Indeed, the
>>

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

I really miss the mirror tool. I guess I’m the only one, but a major part of my 
workflow was based on it. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 19. apr. 2018 kl. 15:10 skrev Robert Patterson :
> 
> Which functionality was lost v25? I've been on it so long I forgot. (The
> biggest loss of functionality for me came in Fin09, when they dropped
> note-attached expressions.) The main thing I remember in F25 is the screwed
> up Mac Print Dialog. But I've learned to live with it. (Heck, I almost
> don't even use it any more now that someone on this list turned me on to
> Export Pages.)
> 
> I don't expect we will see revolutionary changes to Finale anyt time soon.
> But sfaik they are continuing to add incremental improvements. You can get
> a sense of the kinds of issues they have planned to fix over at the Feature
> Request Forum
> .
> (Look for items marked "Planned".) Others (marked "Answered") usually
> indicate sympathy and awareness of the issue. I can only some of hope those
> will change to "Planned" at a future date.
> 
> Over time, evolutionary change can seem revolutionary. I am pretty
> astounded at the difference between F25 and any pre-F12 version. And even
> the difference from F12 is noticeable.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Don Hart  wrote:
>> 
>> Like watching paint dry.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:59 PM Christopher Smith <
>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hahaha! Yes, of course!
>>> 
>>> Christopher
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2018, at 6:49 PM, SN jef chippewa <
>>> shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:
 
 
 i find these tools quite useful, and they are entirely genre- and
>>> platform-independent: they work just as awesomely for the newest of the
>> new
>>> music notation as for basically all traditional approaches to music
>>> notation, western or other.
 https://youtu.be/mci6NVBJbvo
 
> All that said, I’m always happy to be pointed to a technique or a tool
>>> I might have missed that solves problems like these and others.
 
 --
 
 neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation
 http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts
 
 shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com
 new music notation + translation + arts management
 [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise
 
 ___
 Finale mailing list
 Finale@shsu.edu
 https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
 
 To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
 finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>> 
>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] fade out

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

I would use «Scale to...» in the MIDI tool. 

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> 24. mar. 2018 kl. 14:06 skrev Haroldo Mauro :
> 
> Hi, I want to have a twelve-measure fade out in a score for piano, bass and 
> drums. So I created a “fade out” expression and set the playback to:
> type - velocity
> execute a shape
> 
> The percussion sounds remain at the same volume while the other two 
> instruments fade. Any suggestions? 
> Also, can anyone tell me which shape lasts the longest time?
> 
> Thank you.
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

If you use shortcuts, you can enter/edit chords very fast.  In my suffix 
library, just type [C:8] to get [Cmin11(b5)] etc

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> Den 7. mai 2017 kl. 21.41 skrev Martin Nickless :
> 
> Thanks 
> Shame finale can't be like Sibelius when it comes to entering changes quickly
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 May 2017, at 20:34, Christopher Smith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I write a lot of jazz, and I never was able to get that to work properly. I 
>> would have to play the chord in the exact same voicing every time for it to 
>> work, and it’s hard to remember (and finger!) all those extensions. Plus, 
>> there are always chords that I don’t use very often and would have to stop 
>> and figure out a never-before-played voicing for them. I only have five 
>> fingers! Your method works okay up to 7th chords.
>> 
>> I generally type into score. When I have a chord suffix with stacked 
>> extensions, I have a Postit on my monitor with all my most-used suffixes and 
>> their numbers. Say 7(#11b13) is suffix number 103, then I type C:103 and get 
>> the proper suffix on a C. If I ever forget (or don’t know) a suffix number, 
>> I type C:0 (zero) and the suffix selector box pops up, where I choose my 
>> suffix. The suffix number is right there in the niche.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Martin Nickless  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
>>> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
>>> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 
>>> 13 sharp 11s etc
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ___
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>> 
>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
> 
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] MIDI/jazz changes

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

I use complex chords a lot andI have made my own suffix libraries.  MIDI input 
of chords with 5 or more notes is far too unreliable, so I use the Mac's 
keyboard to type chords with my suffix libraries' shortcuts.  Much faster and 
more accurate.

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.

> Den 7. mai 2017 kl. 21.27 skrev Martin Nickless :
> 
> Hi there was wondering if anybody that predominately writes big-band charts 
> Do they enter the changes by playing the cord on a midi keyboard ?
> May I ask if they have built up a library of the complex chords e.g. flat 13 
> sharp 11s etc
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
> Finale mailing list
> Finale@shsu.edu
> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> 
> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Custom Drum Maps

[Skjalg Bjørstad]

If you open a Finale document that contains the percussion map you need, that 
percussion map will be saved within Finale and accessible for new and old 
documents.

Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone.
___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu