Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
dhbailey wrote: dhbailey wrote: [snip] All MakeMusic has to do is to release Fianle2006 as they plan to, without the saxes, since they're not ready for release yet, and then release an update patch, like they do for the occasional interim bug-release (finale2005a, finale2005b, finale2005c, whatever), which includes an updated soundset that includes saxes. And they can pre-announce that without hurting anybody -- they're preannouncing the Garritan Jazz and Big Band Collection, and even taking pre-orders for that! If they preannounce the inclusion of saxes in an interim update to be released at the same time the Jazz and Big Band Collection is released, they won't lose band composers/arrangers who won't see anything else of major importance in this 2006 upgrade. Lest anybody think I'm just griping for the sake of it (sometimes I wonder that myself), I have sent a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking specifically whether saxophones will be included in an upcoming update patch to the Finale2006 release. I'll share the response with the list when I get one. Here is the reply I just received from Phil at MakeMusic: [quote -- notice he couldn't take the time to make it a personal reply, with a nice greeting such as Hello, David!] Hello, At this point, it does not look like the GPO Finale Edition will be patched for Saxes. The only way to get sax sounds would be the Jazz and Big Band when it is released. Phil Sr. Customer Support Representative MakeMusic! Inc. [end quote] So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community -- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching band works which don't include saxophones? Can anybody name publishers of concert or marching or jazz band music which doesn't include saxophones? How's a band-oriented person supposed to take advantage of the much-touted (and only significant thing in this upgrade) improvement in playback? Oh, I get it, all the people in the band world have tons of money to spend and so will willingly fork over the $250 just to get an instrument which should have been included in the upgrade! Nice to know that even in not adding any engraver-specific improvements and in their attempt to improve playback they STILL can't serve a large segment of their customer base! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote: So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community -- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching band works which don't include saxophones? David, are you even reading Tyler's posts? He wrote: Sibelius ships with Kontakt Silver, which includes 20 sounds. You can use 8 at a time. This makes covering large ensembles of any sort simply impossible. To turn your question right back at you, can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching band works which use only 8 instruments at at time? Finale GPO doesn't have saxophones, but at least the Finale softsynth does (although you can NOT use these concurrently - you'll have to record them separately and mix them). To list the instruments Sibelius Silver has that Finale GPO does not: tenor sax, voice oohs and ahs, guitar. To list the instruments Finale GPO has that Sibelius Kontakt Silver does not, piccolo, english horn, bass clarinet, contra bassoon, tuba, marimba, xylophone, harpsichord, solo violin, solo viola, solo cello, solo bass, violin section, viola section, cello section, bass section, tremolo strings (solo and section). Neither library has soprano, alto, or bari saxes. So, major concert band or marching band works never include piccolo? Xylophone?? Tuba??? Also, if it's not on the list of 20 instruments Sib provides, you can't get it in Sibelius AT ALL. You can get saxes in Finale by using Finale's soundfont instead of GPO. It's not like you don't have options. You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare drum has both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important* for marching band work. Finale has been exceptionally generous with the number of GPO instruments they are bundling with FIn2k6, and if something is missing, you can always use the provided soundfont instead. In Sibelius you have no such options. It's just flat-out ridiculous for you to keep insisting that Finale playback is inferior to Sib's (and this is evidence of how Coda just doesn't care about the educational market) when Sib only includes 20 instruments and only lets you play back eight of them simultaneously. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 10:41 AM, dhbailey wrote: So much for MakeMusic's commitment to serve the educational community -- can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching band works which don't include saxophones? David, are you even reading Tyler's posts? He wrote: Sibelius ships with Kontakt Silver, which includes 20 sounds. You can use 8 at a time. This makes covering large ensembles of any sort simply impossible. I realize that -- that's why I'm a Finale user. To turn your question right back at you, can anybody name any major concert band or jazz band or marching band works which use only 8 instruments at at time? I realize that -- that's why I'm a Finale user. Finale GPO doesn't have saxophones, but at least the Finale softsynth does (although you can NOT use these concurrently - you'll have to record them separately and mix them). To list the instruments Sibelius Silver has that Finale GPO does not: tenor sax, voice oohs and ahs, guitar. To list the instruments Finale GPO has that Sibelius Kontakt Silver does not, piccolo, english horn, bass clarinet, contra bassoon, tuba, marimba, xylophone, harpsichord, solo violin, solo viola, solo cello, solo bass, violin section, viola section, cello section, bass section, tremolo strings (solo and section). Neither library has soprano, alto, or bari saxes. So, major concert band or marching band works never include piccolo? Xylophone?? Tuba??? Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable rendition of a band work be made? The section you quoted specifically states that the softsynth and GPO can't be used concurrently, so a band work will require two different recordings which have to be mixed, or the band work will have to resort to being recorded using the soundfont. Also, if it's not on the list of 20 instruments Sib provides, you can't get it in Sibelius AT ALL. You can get saxes in Finale by using Finale's soundfont instead of GPO. It's not like you don't have options. You can't use the soundfont playback at the same time as GPO -- read the section you quoted, which specifically states that the soundfont and GPO can't be used concurrently. You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare drum has both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important* for marching band work. Finale has been exceptionally generous with the number of GPO instruments they are bundling with FIn2k6, and if something is missing, you can always use the provided soundfont instead. In Sibelius you have no such options. Not at the same time as I'm trying to use GPO. So in this new upgrade which includes the GPO, band works have to be recorded using the soundfont. Great -- I can do that with Sibelius, too, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard. It's just flat-out ridiculous for you to keep insisting that Finale playback is inferior to Sib's (and this is evidence of how Coda just doesn't care about the educational market) when Sib only includes 20 instruments and only lets you play back eight of them simultaneously. I'm pointing out that for band works to be played, complete with all instruments, they'll have to be played through either a soundfont and Finale's included soundfont player or through our already existing playback hardware such as midi modules. The same as Sibelius has to do, since, as you point out, their Kontakt player sucks for large ensemble work. Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't superior. For orchestral works, or other works which don't include sax, Finale's playback will probably be superior. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] You then went on to pooh-pooh the fact that the included snare drum has both left- and right-hand hits, which is actually *extremely important* for marching band work. [snip] Are they matched grip or traditional grip? That's important, too. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote: Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable rendition of a band work be made? (A) With other instruments covering the saxophone parts, same as what I do know when I use GPO for jazz band scores. OR: (B) With the soundfont that FINALE provides. The section you quoted specifically states that the softsynth and GPO can't be used concurrently, so a band work will require two different recordings which have to be mixed, or the band work will have to resort to being recorded using the soundfont. That is correct. That's still much better than what you can get with Sibelius, which was the issue at stake here. You can't use the soundfont playback at the same time as GPO Yes, I'm well aware of that. So in this new upgrade which includes the GPO, band works have to be recorded using the soundfont. Great -- I can do that with Sibelius, too No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale does (in addition to the GPO sounds). , so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard. This has nothing to do with your sound card. The instruments in Finale's SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont are provided by FINALE. They sound exactly the same on any decent sound card. To my knowledge, Sibelius does not provide an equivalent to the SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont. You have to use a thrid-party soundfont (like QuickTime Musical Instruments or whatnot). Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't superior. That is simply false. What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that contains every concert band instrument except saxophones (substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now), or a Sibelius rendition of the same work with no tuba, no piccolo, no xylophone, and only eight instruments playing? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale does (in addition to the GPO sounds). I haven't used the Finale-provided soundfont other than to check my installation -- then I substitute one which I prefer for the Finale-provided one. , so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard. This has nothing to do with your sound card. The instruments in Finale's SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont are provided by FINALE. They sound exactly the same on any decent sound card. To my knowledge, Sibelius does not provide an equivalent to the SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont. You have to use a thrid-party soundfont (like QuickTime Musical Instruments or whatnot). You're absolutely right that Sibelius doesn't include a soundfont softsynth, although I have made a request to them to include that. With a soundfont-enabled card (which is what I use) I can use the Finale soundfont if I wish, making both programs' playback exactly the same, simply selecting my Audigy Synth A (or B or both) in the midi devices list. Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't superior. That is simply false. No, it's not simply false. It may be false under default installations of both programs. And it may be false for some people, but for me the playback is the same -- playing either through my soundfont-enabled soundcard or through external midi devices. What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that contains every concert band instrument except saxophones (substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now), or a Sibelius rendition of the same work with no tuba, no piccolo, no xylophone, and only eight instruments playing? Neither is better in my estimation -- imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that it's not actually a realistic sound becaue those extra clarinet or bassoon sounds aren't really extra clarinet or bassoon parts but are supposed to be saxes. But I said in another message, I don't think that just because Sibelius is terrible in this department that lets Finale off the hook, not if they're actively trying to be a market leader. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
--- Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote: Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable rendition of a band work be made? (A) With other instruments covering the saxophone parts, same as what I do know when I use GPO for jazz band scores. OR: (B) With the soundfont that FINALE provides. The section you quoted specifically states that the softsynth and GPO can't be used concurrently, so a band work will require two different recordings which have to be mixed, or the band work will have to resort to being recorded using the soundfont. That is correct. That's still much better than what you can get with Sibelius, which was the issue at stake here. You can't use the soundfont playback at the same time as GPO Yes, I'm well aware of that. So in this new upgrade which includes the GPO, band works have to be recorded using the soundfont. Great -- I can do that with Sibelius, too No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale does (in addition to the GPO sounds). , so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard. This has nothing to do with your sound card. The instruments in Finale's SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont are provided by FINALE. They sound exactly the same on any decent sound card. To my knowledge, Sibelius does not provide an equivalent to the SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont. You have to use a thrid-party soundfont (like QuickTime Musical Instruments or whatnot). Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't superior. That is simply false. What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that contains every concert band instrument except saxophones (substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now), or a Sibelius rendition of the same work with no tuba, no piccolo, no xylophone, and only eight instruments playing? - Darcy - Darcy said what I wanted to say. Seriously, a complete ensemble where you temporarily substitute clarinets for saxes sounds much, much better than an ensemble where you start sticking in General MIDI brass or woodwinds. You're reading too much into Phil's response. The guy apparently screwed up and didn't really understand your question. With each new release, the support starts getting mauled with more questions, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's been working a lot of overtime (probably helping out with testing/preparing 2006 as well). That doesn't change the fact that he didn't answer your question, and it's certainly fine for you to reply to him and let him know that. At this point they probably don't even know for sure which sounds will be included in the future. Since Gary Garritan hasn't finished the jazz band or Advanced GPO libraries, it's probably a bit difficult to work out deals on licensing sounds from them. I'm a band teacher. I'm a euphonium player - probably just about the most overlooked concert band instrument in modern sample libraries. But I'm finding Finale GPO to be very useful for concert band renditions. I work around the few limitations and end up with a product that's leagues better than what I had before. And looking at the education features offered by MakeMusic vs. Sibelius, do you really feel that MakeMusic isn't focusing on the band crowd? Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
On 15 Jul 2005, at 3:27 PM, dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that contains every concert band instrument except saxophones (substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now), or a Sibelius rendition of the same work with no tuba, no piccolo, no xylophone, and only eight instruments playing? Neither is better in my estimation -- imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that it's not actually a realistic sound becaue those extra clarinet or bassoon sounds aren't really extra clarinet or bassoon parts but are supposed to be saxes. I have done exactly that, several times. Sure, it's less-than-ideal, but *every* MIDI rendition is less-than-ideal in any number of ways. It certainly hasn't been deal-breaker. Now, imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that due to software limitations, the recording only includes 8 simultaneous instruments! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
--- Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, dhbailey wrote: Your point being? Yes they do include those instruments. but if the playback can't include the sax section, how will a reasonable rendition of a band work be made? (A) With other instruments covering the saxophone parts, same as what I do know when I use GPO for jazz band scores. OR: (B) With the soundfont that FINALE provides. The section you quoted specifically states that the softsynth and GPO can't be used concurrently, so a band work will require two different recordings which have to be mixed, or the band work will have to resort to being recorded using the soundfont. That is correct. That's still much better than what you can get with Sibelius, which was the issue at stake here. You can't use the soundfont playback at the same time as GPO Yes, I'm well aware of that. So in this new upgrade which includes the GPO, band works have to be recorded using the soundfont. Great -- I can do that with Sibelius, too No, you cannot. Sibelius does not provide their own soundfont -- Finale does (in addition to the GPO sounds). , so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out to me. I've been using soundfonts ever since my SoundBlaster AWE32 soundcard. This has nothing to do with your sound card. The instruments in Finale's SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont are provided by FINALE. They sound exactly the same on any decent sound card. To my knowledge, Sibelius does not provide an equivalent to the SmartMusic SoftSynth soundfont. You have to use a thrid-party soundfont (like QuickTime Musical Instruments or whatnot). Playback for band works in both programs is the same, Finale's isn't superior. That is simply false. What's better, a Finale+GPO rendition of a concert band work that contains every concert band instrument except saxophones (substituting clarinets or double-reeds on their parts, as I do now), or a Sibelius rendition of the same work with no tuba, no piccolo, no xylophone, and only eight instruments playing? - Darcy - Darcy said what I wanted to say. Seriously, a complete ensemble where you temporarily substitute clarinets for saxes sounds much, much better than an ensemble where you start sticking in General MIDI brass or woodwinds. You're reading too much into Phil's response. The guy apparently screwed up and didn't really understand your question. With each new release, the support starts getting mauled with more questions, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's been working a lot of overtime (probably helping out with testing/preparing 2006 as well). That doesn't change the fact that he didn't answer your question, and it's certainly fine for you to reply to him and let him know that. At this point they probably don't even know for sure which sounds will be included in the future. Since Gary Garritan hasn't finished the jazz band or Advanced GPO libraries, it's probably a bit difficult to work out deals on licensing sounds from them. I'm a band teacher. I'm a euphonium player - probably just about the most overlooked concert band instrument in modern sample libraries. But I'm finding Finale GPO to be very useful for concert band renditions. I work around the few limitations and end up with a product that's leagues better than what I had before. And looking at the education features offered by MakeMusic vs. Sibelius, do you really feel that MakeMusic isn't focusing on the band crowd? Tyler Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
Tyler Turner wrote: [snip] You're reading too much into Phil's response. The guy apparently screwed up and didn't really understand your question. With each new release, the support starts getting mauled with more questions, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's been working a lot of overtime (probably helping out with testing/preparing 2006 as well). That doesn't change the fact that he didn't answer your question, and it's certainly fine for you to reply to him and let him know that. [snip] Actually Phil did answer my question, which was whether or not we would receive an interim update patch (as MakeMusic often releases to repair/amend deficiencies in the initial release) which might include an GPO soundset updated to include saxes. I tried to show that I realized that the saxes aren't ready for release yet, but when they were ready, could we expect a patch which would include them. He informed me that there is no plan to do such a thing. Knowing that the saxes will be ready soon (why else are they offering for sale the GPO Jazz/Big Band Collection) I would think they could work out the licensing deal fairly easily, given that they already have one in place for the 100 already included sounds. I did ask him to enter my request for such an interim patch and he said he would enter it. And I will publicly apologize for lashing out against the educational slant of Finale (or apparent lack thereof) -- I'm sure many teachers find those exercises handy to print out and hand out. Just as I'm sure many teachers are turning their charts into SmartMusic Accompaniments. Guess I'm just in a grumpy mood these days -- nothing that a jar or two of Prozac won't cure. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] Now, imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that due to software limitations, the recording only includes 8 simultaneous instruments! I wouldn't do that, either. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
On Jul 15, 2005, at 12:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:Neither is better in my estimation -- imagine sending a recording of a work you want published or performed to a potential publisher or director and having to explain that it's not actually a realistic sound becaue those extra clarinet or bassoon sounds aren't really extra clarinet or bassoon parts but are supposed to be saxes.You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept any of these sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of the instruments they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when they come, they won't sound real anyway. For me, it's not that much of a stretch to substitute a different inadequate imitation for what I hope will be a somewhat better inadequate imitation. I'm not trying to start a war here. I hope for improved samples and improved (and simple) control, as I assume many others do. But I don't think it's going to ruin the "sketch" of my musical architecture for some of the colors to be off. It's only a sketch.Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept any of these sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of the instruments they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when they come, they won't sound real anyway. For me, it's not that much of a stretch to substitute a different inadequate imitation for what I hope will be a somewhat better inadequate imitation. I'm not trying to start a war here. I hope for improved samples and improved (and simple) control, as I assume many others do. But I don't think it's going to ruin the "sketch" of my musical architecture for some of the colors to be off. It's only a sketch.It seems to me that trying to use playback from Finale or Sibelius as a mockup of a large work is just asking for problems. First of all, to get a large orchestra played by GPO is gonna take a huge amount of RAM, and you're gonna need a mighty powerful computer to do it besides. If you try to record a section at a time using Human Playback, the result will be out of sync, because of fluctuations in tempo, unless there's a way to use exactly the same tempo map for each pass. If there's a way to do that in Finale I don't know about it. If you don't use Human Playback you'll get a mechanical performance. And how are you gonna put the pieces together anyway? Do you have a program that'll do that for you? Here's where the discussion gets to the big argument about what these programs should really be used for. All of these playback features being added to Finale are kinda nice to have, but I don't ever expect to be able to use Finale alone for creating a satisfactory mockup. I do find Human Playback useful, but I use it to create a MIDI file, which I then open in my favorite MIDI sequencing/audio recording software, which happens to be MOTU's Digital Performer. In DP I can record one instrument at a time if I need to, and the exact same tempo map is used for each pass. I can use a combination of sounds from my sound modules (I have 8, including two of the old Proteus/2 Orchestral modules), MOTU's Mach-5 sample player-editor, GPO, V-Samp, loops taken out of Garage Band, and on and on. After I record everything, I can mix it all down into one stereo file, and then export it in any audio format, including WAV, AIFF, SDII, or even MP3. I'm sorry, but I don't think Finale will ever give me the ability to do all of that, nor would I expect it to. After all, I've got DP for that. And if I could get MOTU to give me full-featured notation in DP, then I wouldn't need Finale or Sibelius at all. But MOTU reps have assured me that full-featured notation will never happen in DP either, so there you go.Lon Lon Price, Los Angeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/txstnr/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO -- MakeMusic's reply to my request for saxophones
--- Lon Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: You have to suspend disbelief in order to accept any of these sounds. They only remotely resemble the sound of the instruments they represent. I'd like saxophones too, but when they come, they won't sound real anyway. For me, it's not that much of a stretch to substitute a different inadequate imitation for what I hope will be a somewhat better inadequate imitation. I'm not trying to start a war here. I hope for improved samples and improved (and simple) control, as I assume many others do. But I don't think it's going to ruin the sketch of my musical architecture for some of the colors to be off. It's only a sketch. It seems to me that trying to use playback from Finale or Sibelius as a mockup of a large work is just asking for problems. First of all, to get a large orchestra played by GPO is gonna take a huge amount of RAM, and you're gonna need a mighty powerful computer to do it besides. If you try to record a section at a time using Human Playback, the result will be out of sync, because of fluctuations in tempo, unless there's a way to use exactly the same tempo map for each pass. If there's a way to do that in Finale I don't know about it. If you don't use Human Playback you'll get a mechanical performance. And how are you gonna put the pieces together anyway? Do you have a program that'll do that for you? Regarding HP, you first use the Apply HP plug-in to solidify the HP settings that you like. Then you can turn off HP and save your recordings separately. For most large files I haven't had to do this, but there has been one exception. There are free programs available for mixing the audio files together. It's a simple enough feature to be included with the free audio editors/sequencers. Tyler __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
