[Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
This has become an essential piece of information since the copyable staff lists in 2005 (whose workings I have yet to fathom). If you do not use this Shift/C command, you end up with extraneous score expressions all over the place, and they come form anywhere in the score, even if you copy from one extracted part to another. Let me make that clear: you have a score expression in part A; you copy from part B into part C, and score expressions from part A appear gratuitously in part C (along with extra copies of all the score expressions in part B). I can't figure out why that happens, but you can avoid it by using the Shift/C dialog and selecting only what you want to copy. The only shortcoming I find to using this method is that there is no way to copy measure attached smart shapes along with the entries, so you loose hairpins when copying from part to part - something of an irritation, in my book. Chuck Dear Chuck and Matthew, This baffles me also. The 3 selection check boxes you get on 'copy and filter' put smart shapes and score expressions into the same category, therefore NOT allowing any real filtering. This destroys the whole idea of having a filter in the first place if you ask me - as you can't. BTW, if you hold down opt and shift while in the edit menu you get to do the filter to a clip file, but this still doesn't give you the result of filtering out any score expression but leaving in the smart shapes. Another thing that I find confusing is the reference to the smart shapes (attached to measures) which is in the first check box and then the smart shapes (attached to notes) which is in the third check box, which you actually get into and can make selections from. What's the difference here? I reckon Make Music has made an error in this menu item, because if you highlight a measure with Mass Mover and go to Mass Edit menu to select 'Copy Measure Items' you get to select all the different items from the lists under both Measure Items and Entry Items - something I use a lot when copying music across staves within the same file (in fact I would love this selection to be enabled and 'saved' as a preference...and yes, I've requested it to MM many times!)). I believe that this should happen under the filter menu choice but doesn't - probably a bug. Another annoyance, one which I have written up to MM, contains a similar fault when you use metatool 2 (explode music) with Mass Mover. You'll get staff expressions and slurs that go across to the 'expolded parts but not any hairpins - strange, but a bug also I think? Jonathan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
On Mar 2, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: This baffles me also. The 3 selection check boxes you get on 'copy and filter' put smart shapes and score expressions into the same category, therefore NOT allowing any real filtering. This destroys the whole idea of having a filter in the first place if you ask me - as you can't. BTW, if you hold down opt and shift while in the edit menu you get to do the filter to a clip file, but this still doesn't give you the result of filtering out any score expression but leaving in the smart shapes. You are absolutely right. Another thing that I find confusing is the reference to the smart shapes (attached to measures) which is in the first check box and then the smart shapes (attached to notes) which is in the third check box, which you actually get into and can make selections from. What's the difference here? I can explain this. Note-attached Smart Shapes are usually slurs, glisses, trills, etc, which are similar to articulations or note-attached text expressions for me. Measure-attached Smart Shapes are hairpins, which is what one usually wants to copy along with measure-attached text expressions, however not brackets, pedal markings, 8va signs, which are the other measure-attached Smart Shapes. Perhaps there should be a separate option to copy hairpins rather than all measure-attached Smart Shapes. I reckon Make Music has made an error in this menu item, because if you highlight a measure with Mass Mover and go to Mass Edit menu to select 'Copy Measure Items' you get to select all the different items from the lists under both Measure Items and Entry Items - something I use a lot when copying music across staves within the same file (in fact I would love this selection to be enabled and 'saved' as a preference...and yes, I've requested it to MM many times!)). I believe that this should happen under the filter menu choice but doesn't - probably a bug. Another annoyance, one which I have written up to MM, contains a similar fault when you use metatool 2 (explode music) with Mass Mover. You'll get staff expressions and slurs that go across to the 'expolded parts but not any hairpins - strange, but a bug also I think? This is one of the reasons TG Tools takes the place of the Finale built-in functions. If I would have this kind of fussiness to deal with afterwards, I use TG Tools instead, which saves me mucho time. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
Dear Jonathan, I agree and am somewhat baffled that this hasn't come up more often in this discussion group. I think there are a number of people who use similar part extraction methods who must find this irritating. I don't know if this will get repaired in 2006, but I am ever hopeful. I do remember speaking with one tech support person who seemed to agree that the selection in the filter box clumped dissimilar things together in a way that is less than useful. I will forward this to a person at MM who I think will be likely to pay attention. Chuck On Mar 2, 2005, at 12:48 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote: This has become an essential piece of information since the copyable staff lists in 2005 (whose workings I have yet to fathom). If you do not use this Shift/C command, you end up with extraneous score expressions all over the place, and they come form anywhere in the score, even if you copy from one extracted part to another. Let me make that clear: you have a score expression in part A; you copy from part B into part C, and score expressions from part A appear gratuitously in part C (along with extra copies of all the score expressions in part B). I can't figure out why that happens, but you can avoid it by using the Shift/C dialog and selecting only what you want to copy. The only shortcoming I find to using this method is that there is no way to copy measure attached smart shapes along with the entries, so you loose hairpins when copying from part to part - something of an irritation, in my book. Chuck Dear Chuck and Matthew, This baffles me also. The 3 selection check boxes you get on 'copy and filter' put smart shapes and score expressions into the same category, therefore NOT allowing any real filtering. This destroys the whole idea of having a filter in the first place if you ask me - as you can't. BTW, if you hold down opt and shift while in the edit menu you get to do the filter to a clip file, but this still doesn't give you the result of filtering out any score expression but leaving in the smart shapes. Another thing that I find confusing is the reference to the smart shapes (attached to measures) which is in the first check box and then the smart shapes (attached to notes) which is in the third check box, which you actually get into and can make selections from. What's the difference here? I reckon Make Music has made an error in this menu item, because if you highlight a measure with Mass Mover and go to Mass Edit menu to select 'Copy Measure Items' you get to select all the different items from the lists under both Measure Items and Entry Items - something I use a lot when copying music across staves within the same file (in fact I would love this selection to be enabled and 'saved' as a preference...and yes, I've requested it to MM many times!)). I believe that this should happen under the filter menu choice but doesn't - probably a bug. Another annoyance, one which I have written up to MM, contains a similar fault when you use metatool 2 (explode music) with Mass Mover. You'll get staff expressions and slurs that go across to the 'expolded parts but not any hairpins - strange, but a bug also I think? Jonathan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew This is great Matthew! Thank you... -K ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
Firstly, thanks to Hiro for the Control-Shift-F2 keyboard shortcut - I never knew that one before! Looks like Apple are sort of getting some of the Windows-Alt-key functionality, though it's not quite there yet. (For those that missed it, you press Control-Shift-F2 and the menus activate without the use of the mouse. You can tab to the appropriate menu and then press the first letter of the menu item to go to it). In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
On Feb 28, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew Dear Matthew et al, This has become an essential piece of information since the copyable staff lists in 2005 (whose workings I have yet to fathom). If you do not use this Shift/C command, you end up with extraneous score expressions all over the place, and they come form anywhere in the score, even if you copy from one extracted part to another. Let me make that clear: you have a score expression in part A; you copy from part B into part C, and score expressions from part A appear gratuitously in part C (along with extra copies of all the score expressions in part B). I can't figure out why that happens, but you can avoid it by using the Shift/C dialog and selecting only what you want to copy. The only shortcoming I find to using this method is that there is no way to copy measure attached smart shapes along with the entries, so you loose hairpins when copying from part to part - something of an irritation, in my book. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
