Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/30 / 11:52 PM wrote:
Otherwise why didn't Finale 2005 or 2004 have it? And then, why can't I
select, um, say Battery, or Sonik Synth in Finale?
Just to be clear on this,
I believe Battery does have its stand-alone version (I run Battery on
Win2K instead of Mac because
Simon Troup wrote:
Good sampling is resource intensive, just like the most true to life
games require the most up to date graphics cards, the same is true of
samplers. MIDI and soundfonts are there for anyone with an older
machine, just as games have ways of switching off everything from
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]
All of this could be solved by opening up HP to make into something
where you could control how each of the items it recognizes are
realized in a particular synthesizer. Ideally, you could have
different HP setups for different output sources, so you could mix
On 31 Jul 2005 at 13:33, Simon Troup wrote:
I don't like the idea that Finale should only utitlise technologies
that can be harnessed by old iMacs and underpowered PCs.
The features that GPO and HP are offering could have been provided
without tying Finale to a single technology that happens
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005 at 15:46, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
This kind of comment confuses me enormously.
Isn't GPO being driven by MIDI data?
Don't you really mean that you can't drive but the one synthesizer at
a time if you're using GPO?
Its an Audio
On 30/07/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior. A
kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to show
me how to get improved playback via GPO. I am eager to see what the
result is.
Jari has just put up
Indeed. They should have included a couple of demos. Everyone who uses
GPO says it takes some learning to get the best out of it. And,
MakeMusic of course documented how to do itnot!
I'd rather have had more improvements than GPO included. I seriously
think this update sucks. It seems
Which is totally an oversight by MakeMusic. I don't know about VST
(don't really use it), but I use GPO (full version) with Digital
Performer, and I can easily have my cake (Audio Units) and eat it too
(and Midi).
It doesn't make sense that you can't mix it. You can get a max of 8
Thank you ... I found this most helpful.
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 30/07/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior.
A
kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to show
me
You can get a max of 8 instruments with the GPO version that comes
with Finale 2006? So, if you happen to do an arrangement that has
more than 8 instruments, you are out of luck in using GPO. You'd have
to use the soundfonts or Midi.
I seem to be able to address 8 banks or 8 instruments (64
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Which is totally an oversight by MakeMusic. I don't know about VST
(don't really use it), but I use GPO (full version) with Digital
Performer, and I can easily have my cake (Audio Units) and eat it
too (and Midi).
It doesn't make sense that you can't mix it. You can
On 30 Jul 2005, at 11:46 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
You can get a max of 8 instruments with the GPO version that comes
with Finale 2006?
No. Max 64 channels (and many are keyswitching, so no need to use up
separate channels for arco violins and pizz violins.
- Darcy
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On 30 Jul 2005, at 11:40 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 30/07/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior.
A
kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to show
me how to get improved playback via GPO. I am eager
At 11:46 AM 07/30/2005, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
You can get a max of 8
instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006?
This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64
instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player
can have 8 instruments.
At 12:34 PM 07/30/2005, Simon Troup wrote:
It looks like I should be able to address 8 banks of 16 instruments,
but I can't figure out how to access, for example, the second tier of
the the first bank (9 to 16).
You can't. For whatever reason, and whatever limitation, you can only
access the
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 11:46 AM 07/30/2005, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
You can get a max of 8
instruments with the GPO version that comes with Finale 2006?
This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64
instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player can
On 30 Jul 2005 at 8:40, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
On 30/07/05, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still waiting to be shown why GPO/Kontakt playback is superior.
A kind member of this list has offered to work on a file of mine to
show me how to get improved playback via GPO. I am eager
This has been said elsewhere, but just to be clear: You can get 64
instruments. You can instantiate 8 Kontakt players, and each player
can have 8 instruments. That makes 64.
If your computer can handle all 8 instances of the Kontakt player.
True, but you're going to run into this with
1. I think it's a mistake to provide that improvement by tying Finale
to a particular technology, one that requires Finale to know the
insides of the technology chosen, instead of treating it like a black
box with an interface like every equivalent technology.
Like MIDI you mean, we have
On 31 Jul 2005 at 1:38, Simon Troup wrote:
1. I think it's a mistake to provide that improvement by tying
Finale to a particular technology, one that requires Finale to know
the insides of the technology chosen, instead of treating it like a
black box with an interface like every
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/29 / 06:46 PM wrote:
Its an Audio Unit. Go look it up on Apple.com. It's not the same thing
as MIDI.
Well, Finale sends MIDI to Vi (virtual instrument), which format can be
AU, VST, MAS, RTAS, etc, etc. You seems to be mixing two different
protocols. MIDI is MIDI.
A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Well, Finale sends MIDI to Vi (virtual instrument), which format can be
AU, VST, MAS, RTAS, etc, etc. You seems to be mixing two different
protocols. MIDI is MIDI. Finale HP uses CC1 MIDI message when GPO is
selected, while it is not a standard (why can't it be the
Eric Dannewitz / 2005/07/30 / 11:52 PM wrote:
So explain then why we didn't have AU support in Digital Performer from
the get go. Or Protools.
The reason why anything other than Logic had AU support before Jaguar
was because there was no finalized AU spec Apple published. Apple
finally got AU
The good news about Finale (Mac) 2k6 is that playing GPO through the
AU/VST option is much more efficient than running GPO Studio. I took
the same file and the same sounds to run my test. GPO Studio (no
reverb) stuttered a few times whereas the same sounds run through the
built-in AU option
On 29 Jul 2005 at 14:45, Randolph Peters wrote:
The bad news is that you can't get MIDI at the same time as using the
AU instrument option. Why this is so is beyond me. Perhaps with enough
vocal demand this will be added in future versions. It is very
maddening though.
This kind of comment
Its an Audio Unit. Go look it up on Apple.com. It's not the same thing
as MIDI.
David W. Fenton wrote:
This kind of comment confuses me enormously.
Isn't GPO being driven by MIDI data?
Don't you really mean that you can't drive but the one synthesizer at
a time if you're using GPO?
On 29 Jul 2005 at 14:45, Randolph Peters wrote:
The bad news is that you can't get MIDI at the same time as using the
AU instrument option. Why this is so is beyond me. Perhaps with enough
vocal demand this will be added in future versions. It is very
maddening though.
David W. Fenton
On 29 Jul 2005 at 15:46, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
This kind of comment confuses me enormously.
Isn't GPO being driven by MIDI data?
Don't you really mean that you can't drive but the one synthesizer at
a time if you're using GPO?
Its an Audio Unit. Go look it up
On 29 Jul 2005, at 7:07 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
And on Windows? I know nothing about audio units on Windows, just
software synths (which is what GPO with the Kontact player is, no?).
On Windows it's VST.
Again, if you play back using either AU (Mac) or VST (Windows), you
can't
If you look at the subject, it says FinMac. I suppose you were busy
dealing with a problematic drive or something.
Macintosh OS X has Audio Units. Windows doesn't. Nada. Audio Unit
performance is quite a bit better than the standard player.
However, on the Mac version, I think things are a
On 29 Jul 2005 at 16:43, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
And on Windows? I know nothing about audio units on Windows, just
software synths (which is what GPO with the Kontact player is, no?).
If you look at the subject, it says FinMac. . . .
Irrelevant. It's still MIDI output
David W. Fenton wrote:
Irrelevant. It's still MIDI output from Finale.
Which is why I asked the question, as it didn't make sense to say you
couldn't use MIDI while using AU, since what you're sending to it
*is* MIDI.
Go RTFA about Audio Units. It is a different beast than Midi. Why
On 29 Jul 2005, at 8:02 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
If you'd get your head out of the windowass world, perhaps you'd have
a clue as to what an Audio Unit is.
Eric,
Cool it, please. You're flaming David for not knowing what Audio Units
are? Surely you have better uses for your time.
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Well, if he would take the TIME to read up on them rather than saying,
with his INFINITE knowledge, that it all just Midi Data, then yeah, I'll
stop.
That and his CD/DVD thing..
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Eric,
Cool it, please. You're flaming David for not knowing what Audio
Units are?
On 29 Jul 2005, at 8:15 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Well, if he would take the TIME to read up on them rather than saying,
with his INFINITE knowledge, that it all just Midi Data, then yeah,
I'll stop.
That and his CD/DVD thing..
Now that you mention it, you might want to just let that
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreaudio/
http://developer.apple.com/audio/coreaudio.html
Go read up on it. It's not Midi. Midi is a different layer of Core
Audio. Why Finale 2006 doesn't allow both AU and Midi at the same time?
Bad programming.
So far, I'm not finding ANYTHING good
On 29 Jul 2005 at 18:28, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Go read up on it
I'll promise to make no more comments about Mac audio if you promise
to shut up on the subject of WinXP's problems with optical drives.
--
David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton
Sounds good to me
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005 at 18:28, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Go read up on it
I'll promise to make no more comments about Mac audio if you promise
to shut up on the subject of WinXP's problems with optical drives.
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