Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan> Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/> -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup.
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Thanks, Jerry. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 9:10 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Title: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac) Dear Darcy, The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k4, whatever was my last MIDI Setup is there for any new or old files I load. GPO Studio: 1 shows as the output device, and it is not in italics (meaning Finale has found it). When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k5, GPO Studio: 1 shows in italics as the output device (meaning Finale has not found it), and I get the error message. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. I did send a message to Mac Support about the bug. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
On 14 Mar 2005, at 12:41 PM, Harold Owen wrote: The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. Hmm. Interesting -- apparently it used to work, and now it's broken. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. Right -- it's saved in Program Options, not Document Options. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. An easier way would be to disable Save Preferences on Quit. Then set the output device to None and manually save prefs. Then you will never see the error message, no matter what the MIDI settings were when you quit. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup. Devices: GPO Studio: 1, GPO Studio: 2, GPO Studio: 3, GPO Studio: 4, GPO Studio: 5, GPO Studio: 6, GPO Studio: 7, GPO Studio: 8 Of course, as I said, I am launching GPO Studio before launching Finale. Finale remembers and finds the Input device just fine -- it's only the GPO Studio Players it can't find. When I go into Finale's MIDI Setup to correct the problem, in the Output pop-up menus, I see two instances of each GPO Studio player -- one in italics, and one not. I have to manually select all the non-italicized versions, and then everything works fine. But I have to repeat this procedure every time I launch Finale. This is with FinMac2005b, but it applies to Fin2004 as well. I am using the M-Audio FireWire Audiophile as my MIDI interface, and I am using the latest drivers for it. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Title: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac) Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup. Devices: GPO Studio: 1, GPO Studio: 2, GPO Studio: 3, GPO Studio: 4, GPO Studio: 5, GPO Studio: 6, GPO Studio: 7, GPO Studio: 8 Of course, as I said, I am
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
On 13 Mar 2005, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying Hi Hal, If you would send a quick note to MacSupport confirming the bug, I'd be much obliged. Ryan at MacSupport claimed I was the only person who had reported the problem, but I *know* I'm not the only person experiencing the problem, so it would help if Coda knew how widespread this bug really is. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. I am. It's *definitely* Finale's fault. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, A few days ago, I posted about the late Adam Burford's (Windows-only) Fingar plugin that correctly interprets slurs for GPO but got no response. http://www.burfordgallopade.com/fingar_plugin.html I agree that Human Playback's Optimize for GPO option should also include sending sustain pedal data for slurs. The best solution would be for Finale to support this functionality directly, without recourse to a plug-in. But failing that, a Mac port of Fingar would be extremely useful, if any plugin developers are interested in pursuing that avenue. make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, Haven't had a problem with this so far. and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. That would be great! It would also be great if the Save as Audio File option worked with GPO. I don't know how feasible that kind of integrations is, though. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. That would be *really* nice too. But, for a start, it would be good if the setup wizard at least assigned each staff its own channel and individual instrument. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Word is, they have already done this in Kontakt 2.0. It's just a matter of when that new, optimized code is integrated into the GPO Kontakt Player. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
