Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Simple entry got an overhaul in 2k4. I've cut my note entry time by about 40% because you don't have to pick up the mouse and you can enter a bunch of other things besides notes (clef, key, time, artics, expressions...) On 2/27/05 1:47 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Yes. And hides those rests. Well, that's useful, but it's not enough for me to put up with all the other problems of Simple Entry. Of course, I'm not on the latest version (WinFin2K3). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On 28 Feb 2005 at 9:45, Allen Fisher wrote: Simple entry got an overhaul in 2k4. I've cut my note entry time by about 40% because you don't have to pick up the mouse and you can enter a bunch of other things besides notes (clef, key, time, artics, expressions...) Well, I enter notes (Speedy with MIDI keyboard) in one pass and the other things in a second pass. I *prefer* it that way, because it gives me a chance to think about things that are important to me in making my editions, such as inconsistencies in articulations/dynamics between parts. In my edition, I'll have to decide whether I'll keep the discrepancies or edit them out. If I were doing note entry and everything else all at once, I'd be dividing my attention between too many different subjects. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
At 06:18 27.02.2005, you wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? I must confess I have not used voices for maybe fifteen years or so;-) I found it so un-intuitiv(?) - I prefer layers. If I have pieces like piano music where suddenly one voice will split into two, I use layers and hidden rests. I have full control and it works logically and intuitively. But I guess there are many things in Finale that can be done differently - from entering notes (not just with different tools, also in different ways) until formatting and printout. There are also people who like lyrics mass edit, which I cannot understand since I like typing into score much better. As you like it... Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 28, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: But I guess there are many things in Finale that can be done differently - from entering notes (not just with different tools, also in different ways) until formatting and printout. There are also people who like lyrics mass edit, which I cannot understand since I like typing into score much better. The thing I don't like about typing lyrics into score is that the cursor doesn't move intelligently to the next note, instead it moves to the second of two tied notes, to rests, etc. With opt-click assignment (Mac, PC is alt-click) the lyrics all jump over the tied notes and rests intelligently to attach to the next real note. I also tend to mess up the order of the lyrics with TYpe Into Score. Bleah. If I was more organised, I might like it better. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Cindy Pribble wrote: What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I'm not sure I'm understanding your objection here. Doesn't it work to choose select active layer only from the menu, then select the entire staff to clear or copy or whatever? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Brian Williams wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. I'm not sure I floow you here. Could you give an example? Best regards, Jari Williamssom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Brian Williams wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. I'm not sure I follow you here. Could you give an example? Best regards, Jari Williamssom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Most of the time I use layers, but there are times when voices work well. I like the advantage of adding a second voice above or below the existing voice when the divisi is short. You control the stem direction by the position of the cursor (insertion point). If it's below the original note, then the new note will have a down stem. If it's above the cursor, the new note will have an up stem. Hal Owen Brian Williams writes: Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. The only situations that I use layers are: 1) Drum set or single-staff/multi-player percussion parts. 2) Lead sheets in which the melodic rhythm differs from the harmonic rhythm (e.g. the melody holds a whole note, but there are four different chord changes while it sustains). Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Ok ... I'm a tyro on this one ... how does one activate the voices function. I've always used layers, didn't know there was an option. Dean On Feb 27, 2005, at 12:19 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Cindy Pribble wrote: What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I'm not sure I'm understanding your objection here. Doesn't it work to choose select active layer only from the menu, then select the entire staff to clear or copy or whatever? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There are some people, I suspect, who would feel obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in heaven, they found everybody else there as well. Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other unfortunates roasting below. Karen Armstrong Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Feb 2005 at 16:00, Jari Williamsson wrote: I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. Does it put in rests to fill up the space in the layer before the point where you switched layers? Yes. And hides those rests. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On 27 Feb 2005 at 20:42, Jari Williamsson wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Feb 2005 at 16:00, Jari Williamsson wrote: I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. Does it put in rests to fill up the space in the layer before the point where you switched layers? Yes. And hides those rests. Well, that's useful, but it's not enough for me to put up with all the other problems of Simple Entry. Of course, I'm not on the latest version (WinFin2K3). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. The only situations that I use layers are: 1) Drum set or single-staff/multi-player percussion parts. 2) Lead sheets in which the melodic rhythm differs from the harmonic rhythm (e.g. the melody holds a whole note, but there are four different chord changes while it sustains). Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 27, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Brian Williams wrote: Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? I use Finale 2005 to arrange and compose vocal music with a few accompanying instruments. I've never tried it the way you use it, but by using layers I have an advantage in terms of lyric placement when SATB is divisi (sometimes tri-visi) for choral scores, particularly when as many as 8 voicings can be on a different syllable of text. Another advantage (and using voices may do the same) is that it becomes fairly easy to assign one particular layer a playback instrument which isolates it from the mud of other instruments to let a singer hear and practice a part using Finale Notepad. It also allows me to concentrate on one voice at a time in playback for corrections. Layer colors make each part easier to follow when vocal lines cross. It also allows me to use a customized text size for sight-impaired singers. What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I've never scored using the technique you describe so it may be that one can do all of the above using that method. When I have time I'll explore it. Cindy Pribble ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
