Re: [Finale] Music Theory/Duke Ellington

2005-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 11, 2005, at 10:23 AM, John Howell wrote:
(And the Pink Panther theme remains the single most widely-heard 
example of parallel 5ths since the 9th century!)

More than Smoke on the Water?
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[Finale] Music Theory/Duke Ellington

2005-02-10 Thread David Froom
In defense of music theory -- it seems to me (as someone who has taught it
mostly to performers for 25 years) that a primary function is help people's
brains become aware of what their ear already knows.  (I know, it all
happens in the brain . . . guess I'm talking left-brain, right-brain -- oops
that is too simplistic for biologists these days).

One can speak and write without having studied grammar.  But doesn't
understanding grammar give one more power and control over words, especially
if ones autodidactic approach isn't bearing fruit (one of my teachers used
to say that the problems with autodidacts is that they had bad teachers).

To paraphrase Milton Babbitt, one may always choose to keep oneself ignorant
of the constraints under which one works.  That is OK for some, but not for
others.

As for the argument that music that sounds good IS good -- well of course.
But does that mean that your own tastes are universal?  And does that mean
that it is impossible to acquire an appreciation and affection over time?
Haven't any of you hated something the first time, only to come to love it?
Like with food -- the first taste of strong-smelling cheese, or of brandy,
or of fine wine, often results in a wonder how anyone could like it.

Maybe Duke Ellington should have said:  if it sounds good to me right now,
it is good to me right now.

And anyway, his comment was to argue for inclusiveness.  Let's not twist his
words to use them to exclude anyone from the good music club.

And why are people so quick to wish to condemn a particular composer or
stylistic approach, claiming some means of determining -- maybe through
science, maybe through esthetic argument -- whether something is universally
good or bad?  The literature world is large enough for James Joyce and for
Danielle Steele.  Why can't the music world be large enough for all
composers whose music inspires affection in someone other than themselves?

I hate it when people tell me I don't need to understand what I'm doing
(music theory), or that I can't possibly find anything redeeming in music I
love.

David Froom


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Re: [Finale] Music Theory/Duke Ellington

2005-02-10 Thread Daniel Wolf
There is a tremendous fear of music theory out there, with many 
musicians having the sense that music-theoretic discourse kills the 
magic of music making.  However, I find that that such feelings can 
often be alleviated by identifying the tasks that theorists set as 
modest ones with results that are, ultimately, provisional, such that 
ever-deeper and wider-ranging analyses of music have only deepened our 
sense of music's mysteries.  First of all, music theories are simply 
ways of talking about music, and doing so within communities of 
musicians who share a tradition and some common vocabulary for talking 
about music. This discourse has a modest program, largely because it -- 
as if by definition -- does a good job of describing the mechanics of 
music making, but a lousy job with the emotions and meanings of music 
making, but by and large, it stays out of the territories where it is 
less effective, albeit with the caveat that there are likely to be 
connections between the results of our more mechanical researches and 
such big themes, but these connections are presently very vague.  
Further, a theory of music inevitably suggests real material connections 
within single works of music, between individual works, and between 
repertoires of works, and it does so using tools (language, maths) that 
are basically external to practical music-making, so that a music theory 
may often be a way of discovering previously unknown aspects of musical 
works that can be directly exploited by interpreters.  Finally, the 
end-product of a musical theory is seldom just the analysis of familiar 
musics; it may well point to material and formal possibilities for new 
musics

Daniel Wolf   
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