[Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations
Hi Darcy, Have you tried Konig Meyer yet? http://www.k-m.de/D/Katalog/index.asp?spr=EN They have a great range of stands and accessories and they have both mains and battery powered lights. They also do a stand 'kit' which comes with stand, light and a carrying case which is really useful if you intend to move around with your gigs. Jonathan Hey gang, Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us. I'm looking for recommendations. The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/ I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though. Since there isn't any wire showing, it sure looks like a battery-operated light to me. But you could call them and ask -- they do have an 800 number. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Feb 19, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey gang, Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us. I'm looking for recommendations. The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability. Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely profitable enterprise. I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/ I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though. Any advice would be much appreciated. Are you sure you want to go with battery-powered lights? That's a big expense in batteries right off the bat. If you're not using halogen or fluorescent lights (which can cause noise in sound systems if they are plugged into the same circuit) I would recommend AC-powered lights with incandescent bulbs. They are low-powered enough that you probably won't need a heavy-duty extension/power distributor. As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). There are probably a whole bunch of those for sale second-hand by big bands that aren't gigging any more. You can paint them if they are scuffed up. They also have the advantage of not covering up your musicians as much when they are playing on a raised stage. As for the Musician's Friend stands, the palette that holds the music up looks a little skinny to me. Once your book gets a few charts in it, the parts will start sliding off if the shelf isn't wide enough. Have you looked into rentals? Around here it's $5 per stand to rent them from a lighting company, which only gets more expensive after your sixth gig, plus THEY pay for bulbs and maintenance. Hope this actually helps, rather than frustrating or confusing you. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 6:19 PM -0500 2/19/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. Our Community Band has a bunch of similar stands, but they are Manhasset. Folding base and solid desk. I don't know what kind of price you could find, especially with stand light included. You don't want a wire stand if you'll be doing any outdoor playing. It takes a solid desk to support wind clips or some other means of making sure your music isn't Gone with the Wind! And a wire stand won't support the kind of music folder most big bands use. The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability. I would really urge you to rethink this requirement, and to figure the cost of constantly replacing batteries against the rather minimal cost of putting together a simple wiring extension network with components from Home Depot. Most of the battery-operated lights I've seen are designed for reading a book, not for illuminating 2 pages of music, and don't have a wide enough light pattern to do the job. There is a battery light specifically made for musicians, and it probably does the job really well, using a rechargeable battery pack, but each light costs well over $100! A battery-operated light will probably also have a bulb that's not exactly standard and replaceable at Walmart in a quick emergency. The illustration at Musicians Friend doesn't show any wiring on this light, but they don't show any wiring on all the piano lights they have, either. You'll just have to call and ask. You might want to go ahead and order one set so you can evaluate stability, ease of setup and takedown, weight, and quality of the light. Carl Dershem wrote: And I vaguely recall seeing band fronts for saxes at either Giardinelli or WW/BW a while back, though I can't seem to find them now. They can be good for displaying the name of the band, and a lot of sax players are used to them. Only one caveat here. For us older folks who wear bi- or tri-focals, it's awfully hard to read off those low stands because the bottom segments of our glasses are optimized for reading at about 10 inches, not 30 or 36 inches. Yes, you can have music glasses made, but then you're asking your musicians to put out a couple of hundred dollars extra. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 20 Feb 2005, at 9:59 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Are you sure you want to go with battery-powered lights? Yes. It's hard enough trying to squeeze a big band in a typical New York club, without also having to worry about wires from the stand lights getting tangled up in all those doubles and mutes, etc. Not to mention the sketchy wiring in a lot of places. It's just one more thing to worry about, and I really don't need the hassle of wires. That's a big expense in batteries right off the bat. Yeah, I know, but it would also be a big expense in extension cords right off the bat, too. If you're not using halogen or fluorescent lights (which can cause noise in sound systems if they are plugged into the same circuit) Shudder -- yet another argument for battery-lights, no? The light on the Musician's Friend stand is wired. And while the guy couldn't tell me how much the actual *stand* weighs, the shipping weight per unit is 25 pounds! Even if each stand only weighs half that, that's *way* too heavy to drag a set of those on the subway. I'm thinking of getting a set of GigLights: http://www.lampcraft.com/giglight1.htm It uses one of those low-power, super-bright LEDs. The bulb lasts essentially forever (50,000 hours). And they are small and lightweight. And the batteries are included. I found an online store that had 'em for $30 apiece. I might get maybe ten of them for now, hopefully that will be enough to start. As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). Hmm... provided the clip on the stand light doesn't destroy them, that's actually worth looking into. My only concern is that they might make it harder for the wind players to get at their doubles. (Everyone has at least two doubles.) There are probably a whole bunch of those for sale second-hand by big bands that aren't gigging any more. You can paint them if they are scuffed up. I'll look into it. They also have the advantage of not covering up your musicians as much when they are playing on a raised stage. As for the Musician's Friend stands, the palette that holds the music up looks a little skinny to me. Once your book gets a few charts in it, the parts will start sliding off if the shelf isn't wide enough. Well, the Musician's Friend stands are out for a variety of reasons. But, thinking it over, I think the only way I'm going to be able to get a cart of 20 stands on the subway (plus the music folders and stand lights!) is if they are wire stands (or a combination of wire and folding carboard/plastic). Have you looked into rentals? Around here it's $5 per stand to rent them from a lighting company, which only gets more expensive after your sixth gig, plus THEY pay for bulbs and maintenance. Well, I'm kinda hoping this band plays more than six gigs, total! (Our first is at CBGB's on Sunday, May 29, if any NYC Finale listers are curious.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). Hmm... provided the clip on the stand light doesn't destroy them, that's actually worth looking into. My only concern is that they might make it harder for the wind players to get at their doubles. (Everyone has at least two doubles.) I played in a band for a few years that used them for the saxes (trombones and trumpets used more regular stands, with clip-on thingies that hung from the back, with the band logo on them - far easier to get your slide past them, and easier to see the music on), and used clip-on lights that chewe up the edge a bit, but some reinforcement took care of that. The band had been together for many years when I joined them (and left after 5 years) and the stands held up well. But they were not something I'd even consider taking on the bus (no subways in San Diego). cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 20 Feb 2005, at 9:59 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). Is there a standard name for those things? I looked all over eBay and the usual online music supply stores and found nothing. I tried a whole variety of keywords, but none of them turned up the those floor-standing, low-profile jazz band stands. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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For my band in south florida (Simply Swing), the only things I provide are the stands for the saxes which have the name of the band, the sound system and the extension cords for the lights... Manhasset stands for the rest of the band are brought by each sideman in addition to a light... They all know the requirement up front and it has never been a problem... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: On 20 Feb 2005, at 9:59 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). Is there a standard name for those things? I looked all over eBay and the usual online music supply stores and found nothing. I tried a whole variety of keywords, but none of them turned up the those floor-standing, low-profile jazz band stands. I always have heard them referred to as fronts. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In a message dated 20/02/2005 21:14:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a standard name for those things? A group I used to play with always called them "desks" Cheers, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hey Marvin, Every band does it differently. This is a band devoted to playing my own original compositions, and they are *hard*. They put in many long hours of unpaid rehearsal, for gigs that might as well be unpaid. The reed players have to schlep at least two doubles apiece. These are all first-rate New York players, including established artists who *could* be playing a better-paying gig somewhere else that night, but they voluntarily give up that opportunity so they can come play my music. I figure the least I can do for them is bring some stands and stand lights. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 20 Feb 2005, at 3:44 PM, Marvin Rosenthal wrote: For my band in south florida (Simply Swing), the only things I provide are the stands for the saxes which have the name of the band, the sound system and the extension cords for the lights... Manhasset stands for the rest of the band are brought by each sideman in addition to a light... They all know the requirement up front and it has never been a problem... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: On 20 Feb 2005, at 9:59 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: As for stands, the saxes and trombones (playing seated, I imagine) could possibly use the low-profile folding cardboard stands (also available in corrugated plastic and melamine). Is there a standard name for those things? I looked all over eBay and the usual online music supply stores and found nothing. I tried a whole variety of keywords, but none of them turned up the those floor-standing, low-profile jazz band stands. I found them on Giardinelli. Gimme a sec, and I'll see if I can find them again. looking aroud... http://www.giardinelli.com/srs7/g=accessories/search/detail/base_pid/450151/ Are the ones our band used - we just stuck our logo in the white corner (as it already had a lot of red in it), but repainting them would be very simple. cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I've known a few band to use the polystand from: http://www.embeeideas.com/ just about any music store deals with Humes Berg - they make a very similar product. Jime Sodke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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That looks like the corrugated plastic one I mentioned! Good catch! At less than 3 pounds each, you could take a bunch of these on the subway no problem. Christopher On Feb 20, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I've known a few band to use the polystand from: http://www.embeeideas.com/ just about any music store deals with Humes Berg - they make a very similar product. Jime Sodke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Have you considered making them yourself with corrugated cardboard or any other of the materials used in stores and theaters for their displays, all you would need, aside from the chosen material, would be a box cutter and the enthusiasm to do it. I am attaching a drawing of my suggestion in pdf in case you would decide on this initial approach. Should you decide on this solution I would be very happy to make the design for the front of the stands, which you can print with a plotter and attach to each of the stands. Godofredo PS No I don't have a cardboard solution for the lights... :-P Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Christopher I would imagine this is the one. As far as I know, Embee and Humes Berg might be the only 2 manufacturers. The Polystand is much lighter than the Humes Berg, but the Humes and Berg may hold up better over time. For your situation, the Polystand sounds like a great choice. The battery powered lights I've played under tend not to be bright enough, but there are so many now, one should fit your needs. Most bands I've worked with supply the stand fronts to the saxes, leader, and ther rest bring their manhasset. It does add a touch of class to have the stand fronts! Jim - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations That looks like the corrugated plastic one I mentioned! Good catch! At less than 3 pounds each, you could take a bunch of these on the subway no problem. Christopher On Feb 20, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I've known a few band to use the polystand from: http://www.embeeideas.com/ just about any music store deals with Humes Berg - they make a very similar product. Jime Sodke ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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In a message dated 2/20/05 2:25:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a standard name for those things? I looked all over eBay and the usual online music supply stores and found nothing. I tried a whole variety of keywords, but none of them turned up the those floor-standing, low-profile jazz band stands. How 'bout "fronts"? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Music stand and stand light recommendations
Hey gang, Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us. I'm looking for recommendations. The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability. Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely profitable enterprise. I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/ I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though. Any advice would be much appreciated. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey gang, Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us. I'm looking for recommendations. The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability. Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely profitable enterprise. I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/ I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though. Any advice would be much appreciated. Looks pretty useful to me. There was a part number on the lights - have you followed through on that to see whether they're battery powerd, or plug-in? And I vaguely recall seeing band fronts for saxes at either Giardinelli or WW/BW a while back, though I can't seem to find them now. They can be good for displaying the name of the band, and a lot of sax players are used to them. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Darcy James Argue / 05.2.19 / 06:19 PM wrote: The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. I can't find the one I wonted to recommend, but this is a similar one: http://www.lacg.net/accessories_peak_sms20.htm For collapsable, I mean. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi Chuck, Thank you *so* much for the kind words. I'm lucky enough to have some wonderful musicians on board who enjoy playing my music (including Ingrid Jensen and Jon Wikan, among many other terrific players) so I'm really looking forward to our first gig. The RATstands Jazz/Jazz Orchestra stands look ideal, but they are ridiculously out of my price range. You'd practically need a MacArthur grant to afford a set of those! I'm worried that the Musician's Friend stands may be too heavy to lug. It looks like they are 8 pounds each! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 19 Feb 2005, at 6:52 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Darcy, Those look pretty nice, and they are not expensive. For comparison, look here: http://www.ratstands.com/ These are really nice, but I suspect too pricey for most of us in the numbers you will need. I've been thinking about getting one of these for Margot's teaching studio. Good luck with all this. I'm glad that some one like you is getting out with some big band music. We need more. Dave Berger's band is superb, as is his music, but we need other things too. I saw Nightline last night - a half an hour on Joe Elefante's band, and I thought it sounded like a bad high school version of Buddy Rich. Everyone playing loud all the time, not in tune, not balanced, not in time, with underdeveloped soloists. I could go on - but never mind. Your music will be a welcome antidote to that, I'm sure. Chuck On Feb 19, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey gang, Okay, my 18-piece band is going to start gigging soon and I'm going to need to invest in some stands and stand lights for us. I'm looking for recommendations. The stands must be lightweight and collapsable -- not necessarily wire stands, but I have to be able to fit 20 of them in a luggable wheel cart. The lights must be small, battery-powered, and actually help readability. Above all, everything needs to be inexpensive, since I have to buy for the whole band, and modern big band gigs aren't exactly a hugely profitable enterprise. I saw this at Muscian's Friend -- $30 per light/stand combo (which is pretty much the upper limit of what I could afford): http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 452026/ I don't know if that's a battery-powered light, though. Any advice would be much appreciated. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Thank you *so* much for the kind words. I'm lucky enough to have some wonderful musicians on board who enjoy playing my music (including Ingrid Jensen and Jon Wikan, among many other terrific players) so I'm really looking forward to our first gig. The RATstands Jazz/Jazz Orchestra stands look ideal, but they are ridiculously out of my price range. You'd practically need a MacArthur grant to afford a set of those! I know, that's why I am thinking about 1 (count 'em - one) for Margot. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
