Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2019-02-26 Thread Haroldo Mauro
Is this what you want? Haroldo On Feb 26, 2019, at 10:21, Barbara Touburg wrote: > Key signature 3 flats. > At the end od the system, I need to show a "new" key signature of 4 flats. > At the beginning of the next system, I need to *only* show 3 sharps, without > cancelling the

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2019-02-26 Thread Christopher Smith
Document Options>Key Signatures>cancel outgoing key signature UNchecked. Christopher > On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:21 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote: > > Key signature 3 flats. > At the end od the system, I need to show a "new" key signature of 4 flats. > At the beginning of the next system, I need to

[Finale] Key signature question

2019-02-26 Thread Barbara Touburg
Key signature 3 flats. At the end od the system, I need to show a "new" key signature of 4 flats. At the beginning of the next system, I need to *only* show 3 sharps, without cancelling the previous 4 flats. How do I achieve this? Thanks! ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread Barbara Touburg
On 18-10-2016 17:01, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote: > add some extra space between the cancelled key > and the new one Erm, how do I do that? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from

Re: [Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread j...@thomastudios.com
Sorry, I thought I’d read time signature, not key. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote: > > I'm copying a piece that has the outgoing key signature *before* the > barline and the new key signature

Re: [Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread Barbara Touburg
On 18-10-2016 17:01, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote: > By outgoing, do you mean the naturals that are cancelled? If that's the > case, use the normal new key signature (with the cancelling naturals > shown), hide the barline, add some extra space between the cancelled key > and the new one and add

Re: [Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread Rafael Leonardo Junchaya
By outgoing, do you mean the naturals that are cancelled? If that's the case, use the normal new key signature (with the cancelling naturals shown), hide the barline, add some extra space between the cancelled key and the new one and add a smart shape line as barline. R. On 18 October 2016 at

Re: [Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread j...@thomastudios.com
Being that this is a completely redundant notational request, my thinking is the best and fastest way around it would be to create an expression for the 2nd time signature, using the default font so it matches. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios > On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:43

[Finale] Key signature

2016-10-18 Thread Barbara Touburg
I'm copying a piece that has the outgoing key signature *before* the barline and the new key signature *after* the barline. Is there a way in Finale to accomplish this? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] key signature

2015-02-21 Thread Steve Parker
'Courtesy Key Signature' Sometimes ‘Cancellation of Outgoing Key Signature’ Steve P. On 21 Feb 2015, at 10:23, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Good morning, Is there a term in English for the key signature that appears at the end of a movement (and at the end of the page) for the following

[Finale] key signature solution

2014-07-07 Thread Katherine Hoover
Thanks for the info. I woke up in the middle of the night with the idea that holding the part to pitch and going up a 6th to Eb just might come out to C, or no signature... and this morning I found it did, just as Ryan suggested. Thanks to you both. Katherine Hoover

[Finale] key signature problem

2014-07-06 Thread Katherine Hoover
I have a very chromatic alto sax part. When it was originally copied (hand copy) this movement was done without a key signature. Finale insists on putting it in A major, and I have not been able to convert it to C major with the notes in the same place, and the nonstandard doesn't help

Re: [Finale] key signature problem

2014-07-06 Thread Ryan Beard
For transposition, choose other, then choose Chromatic Transposition, Eb up M6. The key signature should go away and accidentals will be added automatically. Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Katherine Hoover khoo...@papagenapress.com wrote: I have a very chromatic alto sax

Re: [Finale] key signature problem

2014-07-06 Thread Giovanni Andreani
Make sure the Transposition is set to none in the Manager Score and eventually, when setting the new key, Choose Hold the Notes to Original Pitches. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu I have a very chromatic alto sax part. When it was originally copied (hand copy)

[Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-22 Thread bill sinclair
I talked to a couple of composers I know: Thay don't make any distiction between Major and Minor keys, i.e. G natural minor is the same as Bb major as far as they're concerned. If it was harmonic or melodic minor, they put accidentals where appropriate. But for them it's notation on a printed

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-22 Thread John Howell
At 3:03 PM -0400 4/22/12, bill sinclair wrote: I talked to a couple of composers I know: Thay don't make any distiction between Major and Minor keys, i.e. G natural minor is the same as Bb major as far as they're concerned. [snip] In other words, the composer/arranger does not say by the way

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-22 Thread Steve Parker
On 22 Apr 2012, at 20:03, bill sinclair billsi...@aol.com wrote: However, a copyist dees NOT know which kind it is when he sees the key signature. He just sees two flats. So, giving them an artificial name is nonsensical. If a copyist cannot see the difference between major and minor in a

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-22 Thread John Howell
At 8:49 PM +0100 4/22/12, Steve Parker wrote: If a copyist cannot see the difference between major and minor in a score then find another copyist. Historically, however, typesetters (in the 16th and 17th centuries) or engravers (in the 18th and 19th) were craftsmen but not necessarily

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-22 Thread Raymond Horton
Bill, it is very simple. For the people for whom the Finale distinction is helpful, the feature is there. For those for whom it is not, they can ignore it and always treat key sigs like a major key, no matter what the mode. I don't complain about features that are in the program that I don't

[Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-21 Thread bill sinclair
What you say is true, BUT There are three different patterns. 1) Natural minor is 2 flats, on B and E. That's identical to the Bb major key. (standard) 2( Melodic minor is 1 flat on E. 3) Harmonic minor if one flat (E) and one sharp (F). Practically all orchestraters or composers would just use

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-21 Thread Steve Parker
If we're talking scales then there is 1. Natural - in G minor Bb and Eb I really don't think this is the same as Bb major unless superficially the drawing of two flats on the stave. 2. Melodic minor - Bb E and F# ascending but F Eb and Bb descending 3. Harmonic minor - Bb Eb and F# People

Re: [Finale] Key signature menus

2012-04-21 Thread Steve Parker
Ugh... 'there are..' On 21 Apr 2012, at 18:38, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: If we're talking scales then there is 1. Natural - in G minor Bb and Eb I really don't think this is the same as Bb major unless superficially the drawing of two flats on the stave. 2. Melodic

[Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Ryan
I've forgotten the cure for this: Going from Eb Major to G Minor key signatures. Finale displays three naturals to cancel the original key then two flats for the new key. I just want the new key signature with one natural to cancel Ab. I know it has to do with going from the major mode to minor

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread dhbailey
Ryan wrote: I've forgotten the cure for this: Going from Eb Major to G Minor key signatures. Finale displays three naturals to cancel the original key then two flats for the new key. I just want the new key signature with one natural to cancel Ab. I know it has to do with going from the major

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Christopher Smith
You can use a Bb major key signature (hold note to same pitch so they don't tranpose up a m3!) which might mess up your minor-mode enharmonic defaults, but that is easy enough to fix. C. On Tue Apr 20, at TuesdayApr 20 7:59 PM, Ryan wrote: I've forgotten the cure for this: Going from Eb

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Ray Horton
Christopher Smith wrote: You can use a Bb major key signature (hold note to same pitch so they don't tranpose up a m3!) which might mess up your minor-mode enharmonic defaults, but that is easy enough to fix. C. On Tue Apr 20, at TuesdayApr 20 7:59 PM, Ryan wrote: I've forgotten the cure

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Ryan wrote: I've forgotten the cure for this: Going from Eb Major to G Minor key signatures. Finale displays three naturals to cancel the original key then two flats for the new key. Try (in FIN 2010) I'm not sure this will work, but you can start with Documents Document Options Key

Re: [Finale] key signature fix

2010-04-20 Thread Ryan
Thanks, Listers. I was hoping there was a straight forward fix. I remember having to call it Bb Major in the past. But when putting in chord symbols, it's a big pain to be working in the wrong mode. What I've done though is make the first measure in Bb, then the following measures in G Minor and

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread John Howell
At 8:22 PM -0400 5/24/07, Darcy James Argue wrote: Personally, I think that's terrible practice. There is a key change before a quarter-note pickup? Use an accidental, fercrissakes, and change the key sig at the beginning of the next bar. I would certainly agree (not necessarily in precisely

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 8:22 PM -0400 5/24/07, Darcy James Argue wrote: Personally, I think that's terrible practice. There is a key change before a quarter-note pickup? Use an accidental, fercrissakes, and change the key sig at the beginning of the next bar. I would certainly agree (not

RE: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: 24 May 2007 23:52 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Key signature question John Roberts wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but can I legally change the key signature

RE: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread Owain Sutton
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: 25 May 2007 10:25 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Key signature question I find it curious, and I am trying to wrack my brains (feeble though they may be) as to just

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread John Howell
At 5:25 AM -0400 5/25/07, dhbailey wrote: It always amazes me that people who have obviously performed a lot of music and have spent enough hours at it above the average, enough to be able to pass an audition to get into college music departments, and who care enough to want to pursue

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: 25 May 2007 10:25 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Key signature question I find it curious, and I am trying to wrack my brains (feeble though they may

RE: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-25 Thread Owain Sutton
I find it curious, and I am trying to wrack my brains (feeble though they may be) as to just when I became aware of that sort of stuff. I definitely was aware of it long before I got to college, and I don't recall ever having it explained to me. I just was observant of the

[Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread John Roberts
Pardon my ignorance, but can I legally change the key signature in the middle of a measure? And in modern practice, do I still need a double barline with a change of key signature? If not, and if the answer to my first question is yes, how would I accomplish that in Finale? (Hidden barlines and

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread dhbailey
John Roberts wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but can I legally change the key signature in the middle of a measure? And in modern practice, do I still need a double barline with a change of key signature? If not, and if the answer to my first question is yes, how would I accomplish that in Finale?

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread John Roberts
Thanks for the reply. As to the why, that's the way it is in the guitar manuscript I'm typesetting, no double barlines, and several successive key changes for 4-bar phrases, with the key change before a quarter-note length pickup. John On 5/24/07 6:52 PM, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:52 PM 5/24/2007, dhbailey wrote: Finale will only allow you to change key at the start of the measure, so you're right you have to futz around with making that measure with the mid-measure key change into 2 measures and making the barline of the first of the two resulting measures hidden.

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread Darcy James Argue
Personally, I think that's terrible practice. There is a key change before a quarter-note pickup? Use an accidental, fercrissakes, and change the key sig at the beginning of the next bar. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 24 May 2007, at 7:50 PM, John Roberts wrote:

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 24, 2007, at 5:31 PM, John Roberts wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but can I legally change the key signature in the middle of a measure? For the past 50 years, you can do absolutely anything you like with notation. Whether a given notation is advisable is another matter. And in

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2007-05-24 Thread John Roberts
My feelings exactly, Darcy. And what I'm planning on doing (probably without double barlines :-). Thanks for all the replies. John On 5/24/07 8:22 PM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think that's terrible practice. There is a key change before a quarter-note pickup?

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2004-11-14 Thread James Bailey
Agreeing with Owain, I'm going to have to say that it looks like a development section, where the tonal centre isn't going to be around long enough to warrant a modulation. Schoenberg has *ideas* about that sort of thing. But, without any knowledge of the context, I'm going to go with, it looks

[Finale] Key signature question

2004-11-12 Thread Richard Yates
Aside from deliberately trying to make things difficult for note entry and sight-reading, why would anyone notate the following passage this way: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Janacek1.jpg instead of this way: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Janacek2.jpg ? (The whole piece is only three

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2004-11-12 Thread Christopher Smith
On Nov 12, 2004, at 5:19 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Aside from deliberately trying to make things difficult for note entry and sight-reading, why would anyone notate the following passage this way: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Janacek1.jpg instead of this way:

Re: [Finale] Key signature question

2004-11-12 Thread Owain Sutton
Richard Yates wrote: Aside from deliberately trying to make things difficult for note entry and sight-reading, why would anyone notate the following passage this way: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Janacek1.jpg instead of this way: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Janacek2.jpg ? (The whole piece