Re: [Finale] Undesirable enharmonics

[Christopher Smith]

Hi Elizabeth,

I think PCs have menu shortcuts, which Mac (my OS) does not have. So you might 
be already ahead of the game there.

As for correcting a region, if you can figure out the Spelling Tables (which I 
think might be broken) then in theory you should be able to set the Spelling 
Table to spell every scale degree in a certain way (if you aren’t using a key 
signature, it will assume that you are in the key of C). Then you can select a 
passage with the Selection Tool and hit Utilities menu>Respell Notes. This will 
change all the spellings to whatever you have set in the Enharmonic Spelling 
menu item. Even if Spelling Tables are broken, Favour Flats and Favour Sharps 
might get you a long way to what you want.

Christopher

> On Apr 27, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Elizabeth R. Austin  wrote:
> 
> Christopher, thank you so very much for this thorough answer!
> 
> I will see what Finale on my PC can deliver in terms of System Preference.
> I do not enter notes via MIDI and so some suggestions are out-I am also not
> a tonal composer, although I do use the surface figures of triads, etc. in
> my music.
> 
> I would hope that Finale could come up with a global correction if one
> selects a region, for example.
> 
> Setting the cursor om the notes and hitting 9 is what I've resorted to but
> there must be a handier way to do this!
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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> *www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
> *http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*
> 
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[Finale] Undesirable enharmonics

[Elizabeth R. Austin]

Christopher, thank you so very much for this thorough answer!

I will see what Finale on my PC can deliver in terms of System Preference.
I do not enter notes via MIDI and so some suggestions are out-I am also not
a tonal composer, although I do use the surface figures of triads, etc. in
my music.

I would hope that Finale could come up with a global correction if one
selects a region, for example.

Setting the cursor om the notes and hitting 9 is what I've resorted to but
there must be a handier way to do this!

Thanks,
Elizabeth

*Elizabeth R. Austin, ACA, BMI*
*www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
*http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*

*http://www.amc.net/ElizabethRAustin* 
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Re: [Finale] undesirable enharmonics!

[Christopher Smith]

Chuck,

You’re so kind! I’ll send you your usual cheque for “promotion”!

Christopher


> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher,
> 
> MM ought to hire you to be their perfect explainer.
> 
> Margot and I send our fond regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Christopher Smith 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a number of issues here.
>> 
>> First of all, if you tell Finale to use Default spelling, it sometimes 
>> doesn’t make the right decision. You can either change the spelling 
>> manually, or use a different default. I generally use this when I enter 
>> chords, because Finale will usually choose F Ab C rather than F G# C if you 
>> hold down an F minor chord. Chords it doesn’t recognize (like many jazz 
>> chords) are up for grabs. They may be spelled correctly, or not, according 
>> to the direction the wind is blowing and the moon phase.
>> 
>> Favour Sharps, or Favour Flats are two of the defaults I use regularly. 
>> There is no keyboard command to toggle these, so I have assigned them myself 
>> on my Mac using the System Preference. This is pretty much bulletproof, but 
>> you have to remember to set it, and if you enter a passage with the “wrong” 
>> setting, you have to go back and change them manually using one of two 
>> methods. This method is far from perfect, because if you have chosen one of 
>> these defaults and enter an F#dim7 chord, either the F# or the Eb will be 
>> spelled incorrectly.
>> 
>> There is also “Use Spelling Tables” and you can set them according to the 
>> key you are in, major or minor. These seem to be broken since many versions 
>> now, or else I simply don’t understand them, because they have never worked 
>> properly for me.
>> 
>> The two manual methods for flipping enharmonics (or three, really, but the 
>> third one is stupidly broken) are as follows:
>> 
>> 1. Set Favour Sharps or Favour Flats and with the Speedy cursor on the chord 
>> or note, hold down the pitch on the MIDI keyboard and hit Enter. Finale will 
>> use whatever setting is in the Enharmonic Spelling at the moment to spell 
>> the chord or note that way. This is the same as when you originally enter 
>> the pitch. Spelling changed this way will stick properly.
>> 
>> 2. For a while on single-note parts, I took to entering notes with 
>> accidentals as diatonic notes, then hitting + or - immediately after the 
>> fact to change it to a higher or lower alteration. This is also bulletproof.
>> 
>> 3. Finale’s OFFICIAL way to switch enharmonics in Speedy is to set the 
>> cursor on the note and hit 9. If you set the cursor on a chord and it is not 
>> exactly on a notehead, it will cycle through every possible spelling, 
>> starting with the lowest note in the chord, every time you press 9. If you 
>> ARE exactly on a notehead, it will only respell this pitch. But this has 
>> been broken for many, many versions now, as it doesn’t stick properly. It 
>> very well may flip back on you without you doing anything, even when you are 
>> working on some other staff. It is especially bad if you have ever hit 9 
>> more than once on the same stem. They claim to have fixed it, but it is 
>> still maddeningly broken. There is no telling how this will turn out, so 
>> never touch it, is my advice. Use one of the other methods.
>> 
>> Christopher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth R. Austin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a copyist help with an orchestral (opera) score-now I'm adding all
>>> text, etc. and proofreading...as I go through all parts, there is
>>> inevitably a chordal misspelling, using a # instead of a *b*, etc...is
>>> there anything I can 'tell' Finale to do to avoid this?
>>> 
>>> *Elizabeth R. Austin, ACA, BMI*
>>> *www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
>>> *http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*
>>> 
>>> *http://www.amc.net/ElizabethRAustin* 
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Re: [Finale] undesirable enharmonics!

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Christopher,

MM ought to hire you to be their perfect explainer.

Margot and I send our fond regards,

Chuck

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Christopher Smith 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are a number of issues here.
> 
> First of all, if you tell Finale to use Default spelling, it sometimes 
> doesn’t make the right decision. You can either change the spelling manually, 
> or use a different default. I generally use this when I enter chords, because 
> Finale will usually choose F Ab C rather than F G# C if you hold down an F 
> minor chord. Chords it doesn’t recognize (like many jazz chords) are up for 
> grabs. They may be spelled correctly, or not, according to the direction the 
> wind is blowing and the moon phase.
> 
> Favour Sharps, or Favour Flats are two of the defaults I use regularly. There 
> is no keyboard command to toggle these, so I have assigned them myself on my 
> Mac using the System Preference. This is pretty much bulletproof, but you 
> have to remember to set it, and if you enter a passage with the “wrong” 
> setting, you have to go back and change them manually using one of two 
> methods. This method is far from perfect, because if you have chosen one of 
> these defaults and enter an F#dim7 chord, either the F# or the Eb will be 
> spelled incorrectly.
> 
> There is also “Use Spelling Tables” and you can set them according to the key 
> you are in, major or minor. These seem to be broken since many versions now, 
> or else I simply don’t understand them, because they have never worked 
> properly for me.
> 
> The two manual methods for flipping enharmonics (or three, really, but the 
> third one is stupidly broken) are as follows:
> 
> 1. Set Favour Sharps or Favour Flats and with the Speedy cursor on the chord 
> or note, hold down the pitch on the MIDI keyboard and hit Enter. Finale will 
> use whatever setting is in the Enharmonic Spelling at the moment to spell the 
> chord or note that way. This is the same as when you originally enter the 
> pitch. Spelling changed this way will stick properly.
> 
> 2. For a while on single-note parts, I took to entering notes with 
> accidentals as diatonic notes, then hitting + or - immediately after the fact 
> to change it to a higher or lower alteration. This is also bulletproof.
> 
> 3. Finale’s OFFICIAL way to switch enharmonics in Speedy is to set the cursor 
> on the note and hit 9. If you set the cursor on a chord and it is not exactly 
> on a notehead, it will cycle through every possible spelling, starting with 
> the lowest note in the chord, every time you press 9. If you ARE exactly on a 
> notehead, it will only respell this pitch. But this has been broken for many, 
> many versions now, as it doesn’t stick properly. It very well may flip back 
> on you without you doing anything, even when you are working on some other 
> staff. It is especially bad if you have ever hit 9 more than once on the same 
> stem. They claim to have fixed it, but it is still maddeningly broken. There 
> is no telling how this will turn out, so never touch it, is my advice. Use 
> one of the other methods.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth R. Austin  wrote:
>> 
>> I had a copyist help with an orchestral (opera) score-now I'm adding all
>> text, etc. and proofreading...as I go through all parts, there is
>> inevitably a chordal misspelling, using a # instead of a *b*, etc...is
>> there anything I can 'tell' Finale to do to avoid this?
>> 
>> *Elizabeth R. Austin, ACA, BMI*
>> *www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
>> *http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*
>> 
>> *http://www.amc.net/ElizabethRAustin* 
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Re: [Finale] undesirable enharmonics!

[Christopher Smith]

There are a number of issues here.

First of all, if you tell Finale to use Default spelling, it sometimes doesn’t 
make the right decision. You can either change the spelling manually, or use a 
different default. I generally use this when I enter chords, because Finale 
will usually choose F Ab C rather than F G# C if you hold down an F minor 
chord. Chords it doesn’t recognize (like many jazz chords) are up for grabs. 
They may be spelled correctly, or not, according to the direction the wind is 
blowing and the moon phase.

Favour Sharps, or Favour Flats are two of the defaults I use regularly. There 
is no keyboard command to toggle these, so I have assigned them myself on my 
Mac using the System Preference. This is pretty much bulletproof, but you have 
to remember to set it, and if you enter a passage with the “wrong” setting, you 
have to go back and change them manually using one of two methods. This method 
is far from perfect, because if you have chosen one of these defaults and enter 
an F#dim7 chord, either the F# or the Eb will be spelled incorrectly.

There is also “Use Spelling Tables” and you can set them according to the key 
you are in, major or minor. These seem to be broken since many versions now, or 
else I simply don’t understand them, because they have never worked properly 
for me.

The two manual methods for flipping enharmonics (or three, really, but the 
third one is stupidly broken) are as follows:

1. Set Favour Sharps or Favour Flats and with the Speedy cursor on the chord or 
note, hold down the pitch on the MIDI keyboard and hit Enter. Finale will use 
whatever setting is in the Enharmonic Spelling at the moment to spell the chord 
or note that way. This is the same as when you originally enter the pitch. 
Spelling changed this way will stick properly.

2. For a while on single-note parts, I took to entering notes with accidentals 
as diatonic notes, then hitting + or - immediately after the fact to change it 
to a higher or lower alteration. This is also bulletproof.

3. Finale’s OFFICIAL way to switch enharmonics in Speedy is to set the cursor 
on the note and hit 9. If you set the cursor on a chord and it is not exactly 
on a notehead, it will cycle through every possible spelling, starting with the 
lowest note in the chord, every time you press 9. If you ARE exactly on a 
notehead, it will only respell this pitch. But this has been broken for many, 
many versions now, as it doesn’t stick properly. It very well may flip back on 
you without you doing anything, even when you are working on some other staff. 
It is especially bad if you have ever hit 9 more than once on the same stem. 
They claim to have fixed it, but it is still maddeningly broken. There is no 
telling how this will turn out, so never touch it, is my advice. Use one of the 
other methods.

Christopher


> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth R. Austin  wrote:
> 
> I had a copyist help with an orchestral (opera) score-now I'm adding all
> text, etc. and proofreading...as I go through all parts, there is
> inevitably a chordal misspelling, using a # instead of a *b*, etc...is
> there anything I can 'tell' Finale to do to avoid this?
> 
> *Elizabeth R. Austin, ACA, BMI*
> *www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
> *http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*
> 
> *http://www.amc.net/ElizabethRAustin* 
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[Finale] undesirable enharmonics!

[Elizabeth R. Austin]

I had a copyist help with an orchestral (opera) score-now I'm adding all
text, etc. and proofreading...as I go through all parts, there is
inevitably a chordal misspelling, using a # instead of a *b*, etc...is
there anything I can 'tell' Finale to do to avoid this?

*Elizabeth R. Austin, ACA, BMI*
*www.elizabethaustinmusic.com* 
*http://composers.com/elizabeth-r-austin*

*http://www.amc.net/ElizabethRAustin* 
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