Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Robert Patterson
After a software product becomes mature, control passes from engineers to managers and marketers. This happens to every software I've ever worked with, including my own. It will happen to Dorico too, eventually. Yeah, the dongle is a deal breaker for me. On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:37 PM Eric

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yes, I would agree too. TGTools and other plugins make Finale perfectly fine for doing music. And it doesn’t require some stupid dongle to run on multiple computer. > On Jan 31, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread David H. Bailey
On 1/31/2019 4:37 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: [snip]> Nevertheless I would also dispute that the current dev staff at Makemusic lacks commitment or talent. On the contrary, my dealings with them reveal a talented staff that knows the code base and is committed to improving it. If there are

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Thu, January 31, 2019 4:37 pm, Robert Patterson wrote: > What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico > apparently has. Oh, I so want these still. The gateway to flat slurs. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Robert Patterson
It seems as though the point of my plugin post is being lost. The point was that with 3rd-party plugins you can design a work flow in Finale that is highly efficient. That Dorico can achieve comparable efficiency out of the box is to its credit, but my point is that it is quite possible to achieve

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Steve Parker
Here are my most used plugins (JW and Patterson): Copy Part Layout - native in Dorico Instrument Change - native in Dorico Kitchen Department - native in Dorico Start New Piece - native in Dorico Yada Yada Tremelo - easily achieved and customised in Dorico Settings Scrapbook - I only used this to

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread David H. Bailey
Craig makes some very important points. Added to the fact that Finale is basically frozen in time is it's horrible corporate history, having been sold from company to company because nobody has any idea what to do with it. There is a very real fear that someday whichever company owns Finale

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
If Finale were doing any significant developments to their product I'm sure we would be happy to talk about that.  It is the fact that Finale is basically frozen in time that causes people to think about what other options are available and practical. In the case of this thread, the main

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-31 Thread Paolo Alberto Rismondo
Hi all, It seems to me that this is 'Finale mailing list', not '... mailing list'. Thank you in advance for your kind attention, all best, Paolo A. Rismondo Il 30/01/2019 21:04, Craig Parmerlee ha scritto: Just to add a tidbit or two, there is currently no way in Dorico to have 2 parts

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-30 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Just to add a tidbit or two, there is currently no way in Dorico to have 2 parts share a staff in the score and still have them go to separate parts.  As Steve says, it is actually pretty easy to write two separate parts, then add a third player. Select all the music from the two separate

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-28 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Everything I have has been edited at least a little.  Maybe a good demonstration would be for somebody to send me a MusicXML file.  I'll import it into Dorico and post the score and parts with no editing. On 1/28/2019 10:13 AM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Craig, would you consider posting PDFs

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-28 Thread Thomas Schaller
Craig, would you consider posting PDFs of a score and a part page and show us what Dorico produces without having tweaked much? Personally I’m more interested to see an orchestra piece. Thanks, Thomas Schaller > On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:08 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > Yes, it is a big learning

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-28 Thread Steve Parker
Hi Christoper, This is something that is promised. You can easily set divisi passages with extra staves. As far as cuing goes, you select something in the part and choose from a list of which instrument(s) you want cued. As it stands now, I still find combining instruments into a staff to be

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-28 Thread Christopher Smith
Steve, Thanks for the info. Are you saying that Dorico handles two instruments per score staff, but with individual parts separated, including cues and solos, very well? (I find this is a weakness in Finale). Christopher > On Jan 28, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Steve Parker wrote: > > I’m now using

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-28 Thread Steve Parker
I’m now using Dorico for all new projects. Dorico’s ability to have distinct pieces in one file (‘flows’) that can be reordered saves so much time. For each layout, these can be set to continue on the same page or to start a new page, both with header information. Dorico handles cue superbly.

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-27 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Yes, it is a big learning curve.  I never really learned Sibelius, and I haven't learned MuseScore, so I can't really compare the size of the learning curve.  My guess is the Dorico learning curve is more difficult for advanced Finale users of long standing: 1) Because Dorico is considerably

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Michael Meyer
Many thanks for taking the time to give us these explanations, Craig. And to you, Robert, for your answer to my question as well. — Mike On January 26, 2019 at 5:01:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee (cr...@parmerlee.com) wrote: > Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples. Let me >

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread GERALD BERG
Thanks Craig. Most informative. GJB On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 5:02 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples.  Let me stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread David H. Bailey
Craig, Thank you for sharing these thoughts. You have made much more progress with Dorico than I have made, so I didn't feel qualified to respond. But I'm glad you were able to make the comparisons. I know that becoming better acquainted with Dorico is in my imminent future, but most of

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Here are some observations about each of the plug-in examples.  Let me stipulate that the Finale plug-ins might provide some unusual visual results that aren't directly matched by Dorico, so I am not claiming  equivalence on any of these. 1. Copy arbitrary material regardless of barlines,

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Many that I described are plugins that I developed myself and are available in the Patterson Plugins Collection at my website. Some are in the full version of TGTools. Some are available as free downloads on Jari Williamsson's website. On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:03 AM Michael Meyer wrote: > So

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Michael Meyer
So Robert, when you say “3rd party plugin” do you mean plugins that others have made that you’ve procured along the way? Or “3rd party” meaning “not included in the included Finale plugins” and so you have made all of these on your own? Just a question out of curiosity more than anything. Thanks

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Besides the Patterson Beams, TGTools, and JW plugins included in Finale, I use 3rd party plugins to 1. Copy arbitrary combinations and patterns of expressions, dynamics, articulations, and other elements in a repeated fashion, independent of barlines, both vertically and horizontally. 2. Mass

Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

2019-01-26 Thread Lawrence David Eden
This is an interesting discussion….I am interested in hearing what 3rd party plugins are you referring to, Robert. I am always looking for ways to automate Finale. Larry Eden > On Jan 25, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > I would be very interested to know more specifics