I wanted to reply to a couple of the comments raised regarding file
conversion back and forth between Finale and Sibelius:
I won't switch until either MakeMusic goes under
or until Sibelius can open, natively, Finale files.
The latter will not happen. Sibelius 6 has removed the importers for
- sibelius' user base is (still) mainly based on the people who use it
lightly or for industrial purposes, and not for serious engraving.
these persons are usually happy with the program/standard output as is,
and many times don't go down enough to get into some of the small
At first, I just let that roll off. Over the years, I have come to expect
that kind of condescending attitude from some Finale users. Indeed, that
was my frist response to Sibelius (v.1) 10 years ago after years of
Finale
use (beginning with Fin 2.2).
probably that sounds condescending, but
- sibelius' user base is (still) mainly based on the people who use it
lightly or for industrial purposes, and not for serious engraving.
these
persons are usually happy with the program/standard output as is, and
many
times don't go down enough to get into some of the small
mu...@rgsmithmusic.com wrote:
If you approach Sibelius as if it were Finale, you'll be frustrated. If
you're willing to let Sibelius be itself and change your working method to
fit Sibelius, you'll probably be very happy.
Finale and Sibelius think differently. If you think like Sibelius you'll
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah ... it's kind of like finding a church you like.
Sort of -- usually with finding a church you like, that's
where you stay, rather than finding two different churches
you like and alternating worship services between the two.
But with notation software,
Christopher Smith wrote:
That sounds fair enough. The only trouble is my entire computer notation
life was built ground up with Finale, so I find Sibelius hard to get
around.
Mine had been as well, moving from MusicPrinterPlus to
Finale way back around 1991 or so, and then making the first
João Pais wrote:
- sibelius' user base is (still) mainly based on the people who use it
lightly or for industrial purposes, and not for serious engraving.
these
persons are usually happy with the program/standard output as is, and
many
times don't go down enough to get into some of the small
João Pais wrote:
At first, I just let that roll off. Over the years, I have come to expect
that kind of condescending attitude from some Finale users. Indeed, that
was my frist response to Sibelius (v.1) 10 years ago after years of
Finale
use (beginning with Fin 2.2).
probably that sounds
Sibelius and Makemusic both understand that most of their user base
are casual users. No shame in that. But it is true that Sibelius
works better for the casual user - by design - than Finale does. And
while there have been improvements in Finale's defaults, there is
still much room for
On May 22, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Sibelius and Makemusic both understand that most of their user base
are casual users. No shame in that. But it is true that Sibelius
works better for the casual user - by design - than Finale does.
And while there have been
Just read a cross-sample of the backgrounds of the users on the Sibelius
list --
There are people who are making arrangements which are performed at the
prestigious Proms concerts at the Albert Hall in London, there are
people whose arrangements and compositions are published by major
I've been in both probably since I started earning my living mainly
engraving, around 4 years ago - which is nothing compared with many of you
guys. of course it's true what you say - but in the sibelius list I
rarely/never saw a thread about good quality fonts, printers, binding,
editing
the little I know from finale tells me that it has the possibility to go
into much finer detail than sibelius - and has many things I would like to
see implemented in sibelius (I guess that it *might* happen sooner or
later - except if finale disappers).
Finale is *not* more capable of fine
On 21 May 2009, at 22:09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 21 May 2009 at 9:45, Chuck Israels wrote:
On May 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
the Magnetic layout is all there really
is that stands out.
I agree, but that seems extraordinarily attractive.
I would second that (or, I
I recently had to increase the all of the chord suffics in a piece (in Finale)
and I expected to have to resize and respace all of the chords seperatly. To my
suprise there is a way do do it all at once.
Mark McCarron
--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
If you are using the Engraver default with the Arial suffixes, this
can be done. But did you do this with the JazzCord library? If you
increase the font size, the kerning is off and every item is mashed
together. If you are using the library that ONLY has the individual
JazzCord glyphs,
At 7:07 AM -0400 5/22/09, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah ... it's kind of like finding a church you like.
Sort of -- usually with finding a church you like, that's where you
stay, rather than finding two different churches you like and
alternating worship services between
Maybe one can chalk this up to newbie ignorance, but here's another
one against Sibelius:
Let's say you have a high flute, violin or trombone part with several
ledger lines, and the system breaks on a slurred passage. The
engraver's default is that broken slurs over a system should end a
Yeah, the linguistic analogy serves the best, I think. In addition,
when one abjures the religious analogy, one avoids any possible moral
consequences prescribed by a given dogma. Brings to mind one of my
favorite lines from Fiddler On The Roof, to wit, How can they both
be right?
Dean
It's been a few weeks since I've worked on a Band Score, but my
memory is that if I set up the score via the Wizard, and want to work
in Concert Pitch (which I always do), that the Bari Sax part is in
bass clef, and as soon as I toggle to Transposed Score, it appears
in Treble Clef
mu...@rgsmithmusic.com écrit:
Sure there are thing that Finale does better than Sibelius or that
Sibelius can't do at all. I know things that Sibelius does that Finale
can't and the MM people have admitted to me that it won't.
Could you give a few examples? I can think of Unicode support, but
You are correct. That was fixed in Version 5. The sutdents need to be sure
they select the right instrument. Bass reeds (and euphonia) have
instruments configured to read in several different ways. To fit American
conventions, they want to choose the one that is treble clef transposed in
a
You are correct. That was fixed in Version 5. The sutdents need to be sure
they select the right instrument. Bass reeds (and euphonia) have
instruments configured to read in several different ways. To fit American
conventions, they want to choose the one that is treble clef transposed in
a
Sib 6 answer: The slur now has 6 (I think) control boxes that can pull it
in many different directions. You can drag it with a mouse (clumsy) or the
arrow keys (elegant), and they can be adjusted independently in parts and
score. You really should check out the new slurs. They're greatly
improved.
Thank you! I will be sure to pass that on to my students. I am happy
to know that it was fixed recently.
If a student comes to me with a score that he DIDN'T use the Wizard,
what should I tell him? Obviously, use the Wizard next time, but
until then?
Christopher
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Oo, nice! So my ledger line problem is a thing of the past? And
adjusting it in the part doesn't make it too ugly for words in the
score?
Christopher
On May 22, 2009, at 1:49 PM, mu...@rgsmithmusic.com wrote:
Sib 6 answer: The slur now has 6 (I think) control boxes that can
pull it
in
Thank you! I will be sure to pass that on to my students. I am happy
to know that it was fixed recently.
If a student comes to me with a score that he DIDN'T use the Wizard,
what should I tell him? Obviously, use the Wizard next time, but
until then?
Christopher
Make sure nothing is
On May 22, 2009, at 3:20 PM, mu...@rgsmithmusic.com wrote:
Thank you! I will be sure to pass that on to my students. I am happy
to know that it was fixed recently.
If a student comes to me with a score that he DIDN'T use the Wizard,
what should I tell him? Obviously, use the Wizard next time,
Hi!
Am 20.05.2009 um 18:36 schrieb John Howell:
Composer's Mosaic
Does anybody still use this?
I'd like to try it, but I doubt it will be freely available ...
Gerhard
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Hmm.
Am 21.05.2009 um 18:45 schrieb Chuck Israels:
Bill Duncan fonts
What's so special about them?
Gerhard
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That's comon practise to have two masterfiles also in Finale. Use the
one for your score, and the other for the parts!
regards
Stigc56
Den 22/05/2009 kl. 14.43 skrev João Pais:
Just read a cross-sample of the backgrounds of the users on the
Sibelius list --
There are people who are
On 22 May 2009, at 19:49, mu...@rgsmithmusic.com
mu...@rgsmithmusic.com wrote:
Sib 6 answer: The slur now has 6 (I think) control boxes that can
pull it
in many different directions. You can drag it with a mouse (clumsy)
or the
arrow keys (elegant), and they can be adjusted independently
Christopher Smith wrote:
Thank you! I will be sure to pass that on to my students. I am happy to
know that it was fixed recently.
If a student comes to me with a score that he DIDN'T use the Wizard,
what should I tell him? Obviously, use the Wizard next time, but until
then?
In selecting
the chord suffixs used the Jazz font, and I used the change chord suffix fonts
in the chord menu. I checked the Fix Chord Suffix Spacing and it worked like a
charm.
Mark McCarron
--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:
From: Christopher Smith
At 10:18 AM -0700 5/22/09, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah, the linguistic analogy serves the best, I think. In addition,
when one abjures the religious analogy, one avoids any possible
moral consequences prescribed by a given dogma. Brings to mind one
of my favorite lines from Fiddler On The
Hi Gerhard,
There are things that look especially good to my eye: an elegant chord
symbol font with well spaced suffixes and reasonably easy control of
making new ones; softened slashes at a slightly more vertical angle
(allowing more of them in a measure, if needed); softened rhythmic
THERE IS NO OTHER HAND!!
Dean :)
On May 22, 2009, at 3:49 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 10:18 AM -0700 5/22/09, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah, the linguistic analogy serves the best, I think. In
addition, when one abjures the religious analogy, one avoids any
possible moral consequences
At 11:03 PM +0200 5/22/09, Torges Gerhard wrote:
Hi!
Am 20.05.2009 um 18:36 schrieb John Howell:
Composer's Mosaic
Does anybody still use this?
I'd like to try it, but I doubt it will be freely available ...
Mark of the Unicorn stopped supporting and developing it to
concentrate on their
Anyone curious about this? Turned out to be the fact that the new
hard drive had a slightly different name. That's what hid the sample
files from the Kontakt Player. Duh! Took me a day to figure it out.
Chuck
On May 21, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
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