[Finale] Second MIDI input device

2005-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
For years I have configured Finale for multiple MIDI output devices but only one input device. Now, though, I find under Panther that I am able to hook up my keyboard simultaneously as two different input devices. (The keyboard can switch between two MIDI outs, which connect to my Mac through

Re: [Finale] JW plugins for Mac yet?

2005-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
spacing. Perhaps someone who has could enlighten the list. -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...So even if someone like Robert Patterson or Tobias Geisen does it... ___ Finale mailing list Finale

Re: [Finale] Second MIDI input device

2005-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
I never said I was opposed to upgrading. Only that I was opposed to upgrading without a sufficient reason. The print driver in Jaguar apparently cannot handle oversize custom page sizes. This was the deal breaker for me. Secondary benefits are hopefully snappier response and better stability,

Re: [Finale] upgrading Finale (was: Second MIDI input device)

2005-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
I upgraded to every version of Finale from v1.0 thru Fin97. Since then I have been upgrading about every other year: Fin00, Fin02, Fin03, and recently Fin05. My reason for skipping was invariably that the benefits did not outweigh the pain. (Fin04 had substantial benefits but also even worse

Re: [Finale] Second MIDI input device

2005-02-16 Thread Robert Patterson
: Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 09:19 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Second MIDI input device Robert Patterson wrote: [snip] as Tennessee is orange. Forgive my ignorance Robert, but just out of interest

[Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

2005-02-18 Thread Robert Patterson
anyone else seen this behavior and/or got a solution? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] MacFin05 Finder windows stay on top

2005-02-19 Thread Robert Patterson
? That's what I have. I'll happily upgrade to 1GB if you really think it will make a difference for Finale. I'm not convinced at this point. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hopefully, FinMac2006 will be a get it to work *well* in OS X version. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] TAN: String divisi

2005-03-02 Thread Robert Patterson
From the inside/outside terminology, I had inferred that this was probably the case. What about situations where the string section rearranges so that the 2nd violins face the 1st violins? Do the 2nd violins reverse their usual orientation or do they maintain it? In this situation is the

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Robert Patterson
Fin03 is the copy protection scheme. Mild compared some, it does nevertheless require you to contact Makemusic to register, which will be a problem if Makemusic is no longer there in the future. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Single Pitch plugin

2005-03-03 Thread Robert Patterson
If you knew anything about the convoluted way Finale stores pitch information, this would not only seem not an oddity but rather all too predictable. I learned years ago always to use major key signatures, because apparently they are the only ones that programmers routinely test their code

Re: [Finale] backwards conversion from 2005 to 2004

2005-03-03 Thread Robert Patterson
I long ago gave up making quixotic principled stands in the computer business. The business changes too quickly, and there is too much else more important to concern myself with. But I am very sympathetic to Dennis's point of view. For this reason, I always assume that some day in the future I

[Finale] Updating old files

2005-03-06 Thread Robert Patterson
I'm having a devil of a time opening old Fin2.6.3 files in Finale 2005. The biggest problem is that apparently coverter strips all shape expressions. Apparently this behavior was introduced in Finale 2004. Does anyone else encounter this? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-09 Thread Robert Patterson
. Their Mac support people claim not to be able even to run Fin2.6.3 at all. (Heck, *I* can still do that.) If Finale 2.6.3 had required authentication, I feel virtually certain that the current company either would not or could not provide it now. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-09 Thread Robert Patterson
OS changes. Plus, OS changes happen on all platforms. I wonder if the old 16-bit FinWin 2.x version will run on WinXP. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Patterson
What we are talking about here is emergency migration in the event of MM's demise. In that case, it would be acceptable to have a spare computer that you could reinstall the OS and/or reformat the drive so as to get the additional 30 days. The only viable migration target I can see is PDF,

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Patterson
From: d. collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So you're ready to take the risk of not being able to reinstall your copy of Finale and making changes in any of your files. I'm not. Ah, but you have no choice. Even without authentication you are very much subject to that risk. This is the

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Patterson
From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. I wish I had a nickel for every time this turned out to be wrong in the computer business. Your comments here just motivated me to try, but I just realized that before I moved in 2000, I trashed the old Finale 2.01

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-10 Thread Robert Patterson
From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's *possible*, but there is absolutely no evidence available to suggest that it is likely, let alone certain, as you assert. On the contrary, I speak with absolute certainty, because I have forever on my side. It is virtually certain that

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-11 Thread Robert Patterson
-protected versions eventually die. David W. Fenton wrote: This is twice now that you've attempted to completely change the terms of discussion. I expect more honest debate from someone like you, Robert. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes

2005-03-11 Thread Robert Patterson
record over 25 years than does MacOS. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x

2005-03-13 Thread Robert Patterson
David Horne wrote: It seems fine however, when I create the pdf directly within Finale, but that has it's own potential problems. Perhaps I missed this thread. What are the problems with printing the PDF directly? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x

2005-03-13 Thread Robert Patterson
I notice David said he was on 10.3.5. That would suggest to me that he hasn't run Software Update to get to 10.3.8. (The actual OS version is available from About this Mac in the apple menu.) I don't know if this affects PDF printing, but I suppose it could. Robert -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x

2005-03-13 Thread Robert Patterson
While we are on the topic of OSX PDF files, is there a way to determine if fonts are being included? In OS9 I always scrupulously included them, but I haven't noticed a similar option in the standard Print dialog of OSX. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x

2005-03-14 Thread Robert Patterson
I've had so many problems with Acrobat Reader 5 that I bit the bullet and downloaded Adobe Reader 7. AR7 (still free) has many, many commendable features new from AR5. It is probably a horrible hog, but I don't notice it that much. It loads quickly and works well. -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x

2005-03-14 Thread Robert Patterson
. Darcy James Argue wrote: The PDF rendering still looks like ass compared to Preview, though. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] escape key in MacOSX

2005-03-18 Thread Robert Patterson
Does anyone know the escape key in Mac OSX? It was cmd-. in OS9, but I can't tell if it is working the same in OSX. I wanted to use it to escape from long mass edit procedures as before. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] Tweaking Exported Parts

2005-03-21 Thread Robert Patterson
the website below and click on the Copyist Helper link for more info. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Tweaking Exported Parts

2005-03-22 Thread Robert Patterson
I can't claim to be disinterested in this subject, but FWIW there is no need to speculate whether the plugin provides enough added value to be worth the price. If you download and install it, you get a 30-day fully functional free trial. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Smith

Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card

2005-03-26 Thread Robert Patterson
-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Orchestral parts

2005-04-07 Thread Robert Patterson
I would characterize your points a, b, and c as best practice as opposed to common practice. Unfortunately, especially with more recent materials, common practice diverges considerably from best practice. I'm a horn player. My first preference is separate parts. If I have to work from a

[Finale] combining parts with staff styles

2005-04-10 Thread Robert Patterson
this? Is there a simple workaround if so? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

2005-04-17 Thread Robert Patterson
Mac user market that he'll have to be dealing with viruses over there, as well as on windows machines. It's like anything -- use it wisely, invest in tools to protect yourself (they're not that expensive) and you're fine. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

[Finale] Clip Files

2005-04-17 Thread Robert Patterson
Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music to the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and articulations based on shapes. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] OT: ATI Displays 4.5

2005-04-20 Thread Robert Patterson
Regarding screen rotation in OSX Tiger, there is a screen shot here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t300444.html (I may decide to upgrade after all.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

[Finale] Center justification for text expressions

2005-04-24 Thread Robert Patterson
Is there any way to do this? I can't figure it out if so. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Center justification for text expressions

2005-04-24 Thread Robert Patterson
point center. However, it is not possible to create multi-line expressions where the lines are centered in relation. Is this what you want to do? Johannes Robert Patterson schrieb: Is there any way to do this? I can't figure it out if so. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

[Finale] Conversation with MM support re copy/inserting clef changes

2005-04-25 Thread Robert Patterson
them know in no uncertain terms. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] grouping notes in 7/8

2005-04-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Beam to time signature, using a composite time signature of 2+2+3 8ths. -Original Message- From: Linda Worsley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 04:51 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] grouping notes in 7/8 Help, I don't know how to fix this: A

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Personally, I think you are asking the wrong list. A better place to look might be a Sibelius list. Most of the Mac users on this list have made the switch to Finale for OSX, warts and all. If you want reasons *not* to switch and *to* put up with OSX setbacks in Finale, this is perhaps the

Re: [Finale] grouping notes in 7/8

2005-04-26 Thread Robert Patterson
] grouping notes in 7/8 At 5:10 PM + 4/26/05, Robert Patterson wrote: Beam to time signature, using a composite time signature of 2+2+3 8ths. When I did that, it screwed up all the rhythms... making every measure too long, with notes bumped into ... on, no matter. It didn't work

Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins

2005-04-26 Thread Robert Patterson
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Re: [Finale] Duplicate hairpins

2005-04-26 Thread Robert Patterson
My bad. The duplicates happen when you copy/repace entries twice from the same measure. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] The BIG Switch: FinMAC to SIBELIUS 3.1 OS X?

2005-04-27 Thread Robert Patterson
I share the skepticism towards the value of ETF as an archiving format, as compared with something like MusicXML. ETF is nothing more than a text representation of the binary .mus file. The only sense in which it is open is in the fact that it is text. The short document that Makemusic

Re: [Finale] I still don't understand!

2005-04-28 Thread Robert Patterson
You are correct that you still have to copy/insert as before. I strongly suggest you read or reread the documented steps for joining files at my website. (I believe I sent you the deep link privately.) For the staff lists to copy correctly, you have to copy from a staff set view in the source

Re: [Finale] div wind parts

2005-05-02 Thread Robert Patterson
@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] TAN: treble clef in 18th century cello parts

2005-05-02 Thread Robert Patterson
contemporary composers call for that, although my understanding is that they make a notation to the effect in the score if so. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman

Re: [Finale] pdf booklets

2005-05-03 Thread Robert Patterson
I think Johannes Gebauer mentioned CocoaBooklet. This is a free OSX utility that takes page-oriented PDFs and produces booklet-oriented PDFs from them, which you can then print directly with the free version of Adobe Reader or with Preview. I use CocoaBooklet all the time and recommend it

Re: [Finale] pdf booklets

2005-05-05 Thread Robert Patterson
06:29 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] pdf booklets On May 3, 2005, at 2:56 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I think Johannes Gebauer mentioned CocoaBooklet. This is a free OSX utility that takes page-oriented PDFs and produces booklet-oriented PDFs from them, which you can

Re: [Finale] Page Skips

2005-05-06 Thread Robert Patterson
, but it never happens in any other app. I use, so I guess it's one for Make Music to resolve .hope you're listening in guys?. JS ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] Cautionary dilemma

2005-05-08 Thread Robert Patterson
to accomplish this in the same file, without using blank measure tricks? (I know how to do that, I am just wondering whether there is an easier way.) Johannes -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http

Re: [Finale] Cautionary dilemma

2005-05-08 Thread Robert Patterson
. The problem there is that once you hide the time sig, the start of time sig expressions jump over to the start of the music. Johannes Gebauer wrote: Robert Patterson schrieb: Assuming the Trio and Menuet have different meters, set the first bar of the Trio to Always Hide Time Sig. Then insert

Re: [Finale] Cautionary dilemma

2005-05-08 Thread Robert Patterson
Not if you want the cautionary key sig to show. Christopher Smith wrote: On May 8, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Robert Patterson schrieb: Assuming the Trio and Menuet have different meters, set the first bar of the Trio to Always Hide Time Sig. Then insert the time sig as a meas

Re: [Finale] TAN: Finale and Linux

2005-05-09 Thread Robert Patterson
to download and open files on that box (using Notepad) would be a convenient thing. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Re: Allow Individual Staff Spacing vs. Optimization

2005-05-15 Thread Robert Patterson
to work that way. David W. Fenton wrote: On 15 May 2005 at 9:11, Robert Patterson wrote: RegoR wrote: Does anybody know if there is a way to revert back to default system spacing for a single staff on a single page that has been moved. When the staves are moved individually, I see nothing anywhere

Re: [Finale] Re: Allow Individual Staff Spacing vs. Optimization

2005-05-15 Thread Robert Patterson
suggestion has been ignored. Respace Staves seems to be total document oriented. Respace Staves can be applied to a single optimized system if you first select the bottom boxes for that system. It is a rather hidden feature that is very handy. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] Re: 4-line staff

2005-05-18 Thread Robert Patterson
Depending on how many different clefs you use in the piece, the clef problem should be easy. I believe Finale allows for 16 clef definitions. So define a set aligned for 4-line staves and a set aligned for 5-line staves and switch as needed. (Is the 4-line staff going to require the full

Re: [Finale] Re: clip file filters all but one measure

2005-05-23 Thread Robert Patterson
, it was by no means a complete mess. On the contrary, it went relatively smoothly. It did opt not to concatenate the percussion parts due to problem #4. My perc parts made extensive use of staff styles, and I did not want to have to fight through all those problems. -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] Rotating screens, FinMac2k5 Tiger

2005-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
David Horne: Can you use an Apple Cinema display in rotation? I was at CompUSA recently and rotated the image on an Apple Cinema display with no problem. The challenge will be mounting it so that you can physically rotate the panel. At least some Apple monitors lack VESA mounting holes. I

Re: [Finale] smart shape library workaround

2005-05-24 Thread Robert Patterson
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Re: [Finale] EPS Issues (was: Including a graphic score in Finale)

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Okay, that's an improvement. But it still isn't as convenient as the Graphics Tool. (That is, it is an extra step.) -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As Darcy pointed out to me recently (to my surprise!) you can crop a one-page PDF in pre-Tiger

Re: [Finale] EPS Issues

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Patterson
to import into PageMaker (or other page layout program) before printing. Is it mainly just to pick up logos, or to mix in text? For, e.g., an extracted orchestra part I can't see much benefit. Or am I missing something? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

Re: [Finale] FinWin 2k3 - voice 2 does not tie in next bar

2005-05-31 Thread Robert Patterson
Actually, it does work, but you have to be careful about which notes are V1 and which are V2. (The V2 notes should have the smallest rhythmic note values.) Layers are not nearly so finicky. V1/V2 predates layers in the evolution of Finale, but they are still useful for very short voice

Re: [Finale] Secondary Beams

2005-05-31 Thread Robert Patterson
There are a number of ways to do this, and all are fairly painful. I've done it using invisible tuplets. Assuming it starts on the bottom note, the bottom layer is 3 16ths in the time of 3 8ths. The top layer is one (invisible) 16th rest followed by 2 16ths in the time of 2 8ths, followed by a

Re: [Finale] harmon mute on horn?

2005-06-04 Thread Robert Patterson
of decades back. shirling neueweise wrote: for the horn player in you: i don't recall ever seeing this anywhere before, but a client has indicated harmon mute for horn (small orchestra for opera). does a harmon mute exist for horns? cheers, jef -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] OT - Apple move to Intel

2005-06-07 Thread Robert Patterson
Amen to that. If this switch is half as disruptive as it seems from reading the postings on this list, it likely means the end of my association with Apple (including plugins support). Windows' long history of backwards compatibility is beginning to look mighty nice. Hiro: Too bad that AU

Re: [Finale] loss of MIDI after sleep in Tiger

2005-06-14 Thread Robert Patterson
In Panther I find that Finale often loses contact with CoreMIDI after waking up. Quitting and restarting Finale fixes the problem. In both Jaguar and Panther I've had a problem that my MIDI interface goes haywire sometimes when the OS wakes up. I can fix that by switching the interface on and

Re: [Finale] Finale 2006

2005-06-23 Thread Robert Patterson
This issue of long-standing bugs being fixed points up a feature listed on the website that greets me with dismay. That is the Studio View Powerful Mixer feature. Some on this list are already salivating at the thought, but for all its possible value, I believe it is a rueful step. That is

Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

2005-06-23 Thread Robert Patterson
Isn't smart line and custom line the same thing? FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom line libraries for a couple of years at least, in versions of Finale all the way back to Fin2000. -Original Message- From: Don Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [Finale] 2006 a closer look

2005-06-23 Thread Robert Patterson
smart shape. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Jun 2005, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: Isn't smart line and custom line the same thing? FWIW: My Settings Scrapbook plugin has been able to transfer custom line libraries for a couple of years at least

Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2006

2005-06-23 Thread Robert Patterson
. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Copy Artics Only

2005-06-24 Thread Robert Patterson
/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Plug-ins.

2005-06-24 Thread Robert Patterson
upgrading in favor of buying plugins. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Plug-ins.

2005-06-25 Thread Robert Patterson
Beams dialog box. Would you see that as a good thing? Or would you be upset that Finale was rendering one of your plugins obsolete? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman

[Finale] Finale - Error occurred. ID = -12

2005-06-25 Thread Robert Patterson
Has anyone ever seen this error? I'm getting it when I try to open a file in Fin05b. My friend has sent both the .mus and the .etf, and both get the same error. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] creating identical text bocks in multiple parts - FinaleScript?

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Patterson
TGTools has an option to transfer page text blocks between docs. Using its text filter, you could probably restrict it to transferring just your copyright notice. I don't know if it can do a whole series of files at once, but it would be much quicker than hand-typing them. -Original

Re: [Finale] Copying measure-assigned text blocks between documents.

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Patterson
I've been trying to copy sections from one document to another, and even with Mass Edit-Copy Everything selected, measure-assigned text blocks don't seem to be transferred. This is a long-standing bug (or omission) in clipboard copying. I recently discovered you can drag-and-drop measures

Re: [Finale] Staff list problems

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Patterson
You need to be using the latest version of TGTools. -Original Message- From: Don Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 03:52 PM To: finale@lists.shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Staff list problems Two separate problems, here. I'd appreciate any help on these

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-06 Thread Robert Patterson
I haven't read much of this thread, but I would advise anyone to read marketing hype with liberal doses of salt. If Sib's new feature works as well as marketed, it will be a first for the computer industry. That said, I know enough about Enigma data structures to speculate that MM could

Re: [Finale] Sibelius version 4 has dynamic score/parts linking!

2005-07-06 Thread Robert Patterson
On the matter of whether features are just plugins, it would be relatively simple for MM (and Finale's users) to have cake and eat it too. Two extensions of the plugin interface would integrate them in ways that would erase much of the distinction. 1. Plugins should be able to add themselves

[Finale] OT: Old Localtalk Printer on OSX

2005-07-06 Thread Robert Patterson
: repeated cutoffs of support for legacy software and hardware, and already another coming. It may well drive me completely to the other side. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Robert Patterson
If a plugin has trouble doing cue notes, why would it be any easier in the native program? If you care how the cue notes look, no automation MM is likely to come up with is like to be good enough. If you don't care, then TGTools is sufficient, although there are a few tweaks that would be

Re: [Finale] Dynamic Parts in Finale

2005-07-07 Thread Robert Patterson
I do see what you are after (a cue note layer). I just don't see enough added benefit to enough users that it will happen. That said, from what I've seen starting in Fin04, MM has laid the groundwork for more than 4 layers. Whether they ever implement them remains to be seen. Obviously, you

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-09 Thread Robert Patterson
and truly surpassed it. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-09 Thread Robert Patterson
may not take the same turns. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-09 Thread Robert Patterson
and constrained. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
and financial rather than legal. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale in the Education Market (Was Dynamic Parts)

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
ball on the Mac side. Yet given the light features list it should have been a no-brainer. That said, I still think Steve Jobs cut the knees out from under his developers by cutting off OS9 booting one year too soon. And it is a continuing pattern... -- Robert Patterson http

Re: [Finale] Sibelius usable for excerpt and test examples?

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
more hmmm interesting rather than not bad, but no dice posts. I don't remember the tenor of potential Sibelius acceptance ever being as strong here before. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http

Re: [Finale] notation program comparison

2005-07-21 Thread Robert Patterson
Another factor in this is how quickly it is done. I would propose that any comparison include the length of time it took to produce the results. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] notation program comparison

2005-07-22 Thread Robert Patterson
this is a crucial element of any useful comparison Johannes Gebauer wrote: But I would write a report on how I did what and which things took time/were complicated/had me consult the manual. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com

[Finale] GPO/Kontakt Primer (and a Notion as well)

2005-07-22 Thread Robert Patterson
. It was a bit moving to see a man older than me (and I'm not young) with such youthful stars in his eyes. I think Notion has thrown a challenge at both Fin and Sib that I hope they will heed. Even if Notion is knocked down, perhaps Fin and/or Sib can deliver on Notion's promise. -- Robert Patterson

Re: [Finale] GPO/Kontakt Primer (and a Notion as well)

2005-07-23 Thread Robert Patterson
The Notion rep. at the demo I saw said they are planning some level of support for MusicXML. He was equivocal about whether that included import as well as export. I told him import is more interesting to me than export. The problem for Finale users is that (at least on Macs), saving a file as

Re: [Finale] GPO/Kontakt Primer (and a Notion as well)

2005-07-23 Thread Robert Patterson
This gets back to my original question. Can someone please explain exactly how Finale triggers GPO? Is Kontakt involved, or is that something separate? Is it a form of MIDI? The main thing interesting to me about Notion is the on-the-fly combination of samples directly into an audio stream. I

[Finale] Finale's output quality

2005-07-24 Thread Robert Patterson
I'm as quick as anyone to acknowledge Finale's shortcomings, but sometimes the Finale bashing can be over the top. We should be clear that Finale gives up *absolutely nothing* to Sib or any other competitor in quality of printed output. What we have endless quibbled about is ease-of-use

Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality

2005-07-24 Thread Robert Patterson
Johannes Gebauer: but eventually the changes to the score after the performance were so huge that I simply had no choice but to prepare a new Parts-Score I remain skeptical that Sib's dynamic linking will be able to maintain your high standards when this amount of revision is required.

Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality

2005-07-24 Thread Robert Patterson
output quality On 24 Jul 2005, at 17:10, Robert Patterson wrote: I remain skeptical that Sib's dynamic linking will be able to maintain your high standards when this amount of revision is required. (Specifically, an amount of revision that forces an entirely new page layout

Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Patterson
David Bailey: I'm not sure you can say the output is superior -- the ability to work in modes that Sibelius doesn't approve of is superior in Finale, but the output to paper can look gorgeous with either program I believe this is what I said, too, in so many words. So, apparently, if

Re: [Finale] Jari's review of Fin 2006

2005-07-25 Thread Robert Patterson
I would like to draw your collective attention to the following snippet from Jari's review: QUOTE Since all the copying options appear in one single dialog box, the separate Copy Everything menu item has now been removed. One side effect of this is that you can't have a custom set of copying

Re: [Finale] Copy Everything (was Jari's review of Fin 2006)

2005-07-26 Thread Robert Patterson
Steve Fiskum: I just do not see the benefit of removing it. Is it because it seems redundant? You would have to address that question to MM. (I hope you will, and if they provide an answer please share it.) They removed it consciously, purposefully, and stubbornly, but what their reasoning

Re: [Finale] Copy Everything (was Jari's review of Fin 2006)

2005-07-26 Thread Robert Patterson
David Fenton: And the problem to me seems to not be replacing COPY EVERYTHING with RESET TO DEFAULTS (if you use the keyboard shortcut to pop the dialog before copying, then you won't have any extra steps), but the apparent loss of state. You lose state, *and* you are required to access a

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