Re: [Finale] Copying tuplets

[Robert Patterson]

The Patterson Mass Copy plugin does this. In fact, that was its original
purpose.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:

> When I copy and paste measures with tuplets, they get retranscribed when
> I paste. Is there a way to retain the tuplets when copy/pasting?
> I know that the Patterson plugin can do it, but I don't know which one
> and how.
> Thanks!
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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[dhbailey]

Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

Christopher Smith wrote:
What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves 
vertically?


I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth of 
cadenza in.)


In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be a 
tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks good in 
the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it turns into a 
double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not copy properly. 
I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool filter, which is 
supposed to include tuplet definitions.


Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon 
this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and change 
the time sig back?
It seems to me you are getting exactly what you ask for: 8 quarter notes 
is a double whole note, and you're asking for it in the space of 8 
beats. If you want your whole note with a fermata, you want to ask for a 
reverse tuplet, of 4 quarter notes in the space of 8. This will give 
you the whole note you desire.




While that might be true, he's got a single whole note 
showing in the original measure and he simply wants to copy 
that.  If Finale is able to show it correctly in the first 
measure, why not in the target measure he wants to copy to?



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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[Christopher Smith]

Sorry, typo.

I had set the whole note to _4_ quarters in the space of 8. It copies  
WITHOUT any tuplet at all (I checked) and turns into a double whole  
note. It looks fine where I entered it; it just copies wrong.


Christopher



On May 13, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:


Christopher Smith wrote:
What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves  
vertically?


I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats  
worth of cadenza in.)


In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be  
a tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks  
good in the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it  
turns into a double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does  
not copy properly. I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool  
filter, which is supposed to include tuplet definitions.


Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just  
abandon this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of  
4 and change the time sig back?
It seems to me you are getting exactly what you ask for: 8 quarter  
notes is a double whole note, and you're asking for it in the space  
of 8 beats. If you want your whole note with a fermata, you want to  
ask for a reverse tuplet, of 4 quarter notes in the space of 8.  
This will give you the whole note you desire.




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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[Chuck Israels]

I've had similar problems, but I thought it was only with partial  
measure copying.  It can have bizarre results.  Why did I never  
complain about this?


Chuck

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On May 12, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Randolph Peters randolphpet...@shaw.ca  
wrote:


I know! I have the same problem, different rhythm. I kept changing  
the quantization level, which in the ancient past used to affect  
this sort of thing, but the results are the same each time. The last  
frustrating measure I had like this was a 4/4 with a sextuplet on  
beat 4. It just would not copy without changing the rhythm to  
something very complicated involving nested tuplets and awkward  
ties. Instant Ferneyhough!


-Randolph Peters

Christopher Smith wrote:

What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves  
vertically?


I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth  
of cadenza in.)


In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be  
a tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks  
good in the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it  
turns into a double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not  
copy properly. I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool  
filter, which is supposed to include tuplet definitions.


Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon  
this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and  
change the time sig back?


(stupid, stupid bugs!)

Christopher


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RE: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[Howey, Henry]

It's a bug;-)

Here's how I proved it. I first made a tuplet 4 quarters in 8  quarters. THEN, 
I copied and pasted that. NO PROBLEM. Then I made the whole note version, and 
the result was the minim.

Actually I use another (BETTER) for cadenzas. I do the meter substitution. When 
I need the whole note, I merely HIDE the remaining rests with the O key;-)

The only way around your method is to make each whole note;-(

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From: Christopher Smith [christopher.sm...@videotron.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:51 PM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves
vertically?

I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth
of cadenza in.)

In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be a
tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks good
in the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it turns into
a double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not copy
properly. I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool filter,
which is supposed to include tuplet definitions.

Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon
this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and
change the time sig back?

(stupid, stupid bugs!)

Christopher



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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[David W. Fenton]

On 13 May 2009 at 6:45, Christopher Smith wrote:

 I had set the whole note to _4_ quarters in the space of 8. It copies  
 WITHOUT any tuplet at all (I checked) and turns into a double whole  
 note. It looks fine where I entered it; it just copies wrong.

In my work with transcribing early music, I'm constantly needing to 
display a value that is somewhat different than modern convention, 
much like with a cadenza. I would never use a tuplet definition for a 
single note -- I'd put in the real note value and then change the 
notehead to display what I wanted. In your case, you'd put in a 
double wholenote and change the notehead to a whole note.
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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[Randolph Peters]

I know! I have the same problem, different rhythm. I kept changing the  
quantization level, which in the ancient past used to affect this sort  
of thing, but the results are the same each time. The last frustrating  
measure I had like this was a 4/4 with a sextuplet on beat 4. It just  
would not copy without changing the rhythm to something very  
complicated involving nested tuplets and awkward ties. Instant  
Ferneyhough!


-Randolph Peters

Christopher Smith wrote:

What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves  
vertically?


I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth  
of cadenza in.)


In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be a  
tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks good  
in the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it turns  
into a double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not copy  
properly. I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool filter,  
which is supposed to include tuplet definitions.


Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon  
this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and  
change the time sig back?


(stupid, stupid bugs!)

Christopher


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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets vertically in FinMac09

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Christopher Smith wrote:
What's up with copying measures containing tuplets to other staves 
vertically?


I have a measure of 8/4 (showing as 4/4, so I can fit 8 beats worth of 
cadenza in.)


In some other parts, I have a whole note with a fermata, set to be a 
tuplet of 8 quarternotes in the space of 8 quarters. All looks good in 
the first part, but when i copy it to another staff, it turns into a 
double-whole-note, in other words, the tuplet does not copy properly. 
I have 'all set to copy in the Selection Tool filter, which is 
supposed to include tuplet definitions.


Am I missing something (entirely possible) or should I just abandon 
this and notate the cadenza as 8 quarters in the space of 4 and change 
the time sig back?
It seems to me you are getting exactly what you ask for: 8 quarter notes 
is a double whole note, and you're asking for it in the space of 8 
beats. If you want your whole note with a fermata, you want to ask for a 
reverse tuplet, of 4 quarter notes in the space of 8. This will give 
you the whole note you desire.


ns


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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets

[Stan Lord]

semibreves = whole notes, minims = half notes, crotchets = quarter  
notes, quavers = eighth notes, semiquavers = sixteenth notes etc.

Sorry for the confusion!!

However, my problem was solved by Robert who was v helpful and looked  
at my file.
It was a problem of my own making. I wrote 3 1/16 grace notes as a  
triplet when I only needed to write them as normal 1/16s.
Copying resulted in the 1/4 note showing as a dotted 1/8 followed by a  
1/16.


You live and learn!!

All Ok now, thanks.

Stan
On 19 Jan 2009, at 00:54, Christopher Smith wrote:

Sorry, but could you translate the note values into North American  
terms? I never learned the English system, so I can't follow your  
question.


Christopher


On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Stan Lord wrote:


MacFin 2009b

Drum set part:

Copying crotchets on beats 1 and 3 with a semiquaver gracenote  
triplet before 3rd beat.
The 3rd beat crotchet is coming out as a dotted quaver tied to a  
semiquaver.


Tried Robert's Mass Copy and got the same result.

We've had this problem for a long time it seems to me.  It's still  
not resolved then?


Stan Lord
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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets

[Christopher Smith]

Sorry, but could you translate the note values into North American  
terms? I never learned the English system, so I can't follow your  
question.


Christopher


On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Stan Lord wrote:


MacFin 2009b

Drum set part:

Copying crotchets on beats 1 and 3 with a semiquaver gracenote  
triplet before 3rd beat.
The 3rd beat crotchet is coming out as a dotted quaver tied to a  
semiquaver.


Tried Robert's Mass Copy and got the same result.

We've had this problem for a long time it seems to me.  It's still  
not resolved then?


Stan Lord
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Re: [Finale] copying tuplets

[GERALD BERG]

I'm ancient FinMac 2005 but it has been my experience that tuplets only copy 
properly with 'partial measure' selection turned off.  IOW full measure copy 
only.

Gerald Berg





From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:54:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] copying tuplets

Sorry, but could you translate the note values into North American terms? I 
never learned the English system, so I can't follow your question.

Christopher


On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Stan Lord wrote:

 MacFin 2009b
 
 Drum set part:
 
 Copying crotchets on beats 1 and 3 with a semiquaver gracenote triplet before 
 3rd beat.
 The 3rd beat crotchet is coming out as a dotted quaver tied to a semiquaver.
 
 Tried Robert's Mass Copy and got the same result.
 
 We've had this problem for a long time it seems to me.  It's still not 
 resolved then?
 
 Stan Lord
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