RE: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
True. But Bombich's software is so well done that I don't mind ;-). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Hauser Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:27 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions? On Feb 4, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Fisher, Allen wrote: All of this is free But there is that pesky donate dialogue that pops up at the end of each operation.. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 03.02.2008 Robert Patterson wrote: For timed backups, I uses the online service Mozy.com Robert, Thank you for this tip. I have signed up with them for their free service, also my dad's Win machine. I do keep backups locally on two separate HDs, but I have always wondered what I could do against possibilities of theft or water damage. This is ideal. I may well upgrade to the payed service you use, but for the moment I have only backed up my most precious documents, and not my Audio. It is especially good for my father who has mostly Word documents to back up, but those are kind of important, so if he lost them it would certainly cause some headaches. His data only amounts to less than a Gig, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
Robert Patterson / 08.2.3 / 11:28 AM wrote: I was so put off by Retrospect that I purposely left it off my list. I agree with this. I don't know how much money I spent on upgrading Retrospect for many years, and I dumped after the first upgrade path when OSX switch. Since I needed at least 5 machines to back up, every upgrade was costing me something like $250, while Retrospect had been very slow, and unreliable with both optical and tape media, which was the main reason I dumped it. Now I have hundreds of tapes/disks I can't retrieve data from unless I get old machine and legacy OS. Oh, and Retrospect support charges you huge when you get error retrieving data, and they even couldn't help me but they charged me anyway. SuperDuper at least gives generic dmg so you don't need to depend on apps when you need the data back. But SuperDuper doesn't do version control. Apple BackUp does. I use it to backup all the Finale data to iDisk 5 AM every day. Finale files are small enough for this. Audio data is another story. They are too big for any backup since each projects are at leas a few gigs. I copy them on large HDs (but not bigger than 500GB since 500GB is the only proven technology today) and store them in a fire safe. TriBackup is getting very common these days, and I am going to look at it next. P.S. If you don't have it in 3 places, you don't call it backed up :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
I'm happy with ChronoSync, which I let run automatically each time I start up the computer. You can also set it to run a particular backup when a particular drive is attached. There's a demo at http:// www.econtechnologies.com/site/Pages/ChronoSync/chrono_overview.html so you could give it a try and see if it meets you're needs. It costs $30. Michael On 3 Feb 2008, at 16:02, shirling neueweise wrote: after doing backups manually for years -- and for that reason not doing them nearly often enough -- i am going to automate this. any suggestions? looking for something cheap to free if possible. i need something that allows as much of the following as possible: - timed as well as manual backups - different timings for different BUs - same files/folders backed up simultaneously to two or more places - reminder / alarm if BU not done within X days of scheduled BU - overwrites only necessary files thanks, jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
I use the latest version of Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my entire system (which I do once a month), this is restorable, and you can set it up to run as a task if you want. For everything else, there's time machine. All of this is free. Otherwise, if you don't mind a bit of wrangling, you can use DiskUtility. I still don't have a good solution (read free) for windows... Allen J. Fisher QA Engineer MakeMusic [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.finalemusic.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Henry E. Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:11 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions? Check out CMS software. You'll need an external HD (usb best) equal minimally equal to your machine's HD. It does a COMPLETE mirror of your HD and can rebuild your old HD completely, including any hidden partitions necessary for your machine to work. The recovery disk uses a LINUX system to replace your screwed-up HD completely. There is an incremental backup capability as well, though I always opt for the complete backup. Oh, it's for MAC or PC;-) http://www.cmsproducts.com/product_bounceback_professional.htm Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
On Feb 4, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Fisher, Allen wrote: All of this is free But there is that pesky donate dialogue that pops up at the end of each operation.. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
SuperDuper is a fantastic OSX volumn backup program. It's cheap (shareware, with a usuable free demo version), and it knows all the ins and outs of OSX volumes, at least thru Tiger. What I do is use SuperDuper to backup the entire volume manually (and infrequently) so as to be able to recover bootability in case of hard drive failure or disaster. For timed backups, I uses the online service Mozy.com. For $5 per month per computer you get unlimited upload space, and you can configure the client to run a backup however often you wish. (I run mine nightly.) It took me about a month of continuous uploading to upload my initial data (c. 60GB) at a throttled 30KB/sec. After that the nightly deltas run in an hour or so, depending on what I did that day. Mozy allows you to encrypt with your own key, which means you must keep track of the key or you won't be able to access your data. Alternatively you can encrypt with their key, which will allow them to decrypt your data if you (or anyone else with proper authority) requests it. You choose which folders you want to backup with Mozy. I can't tell you how much peace of mind I have now with online backup. It is automatic, simple, and absolutely failsafe in case of fire or even hurricane or earthquake, which could nail an offsite backup in the same city. I'm afraid I've gotten rather careless with SuperDuper, but I still think having a relatively recent full volume backup is not a bad idea. Mozy has clients for both Mac and Win. I use the Mac client, which is technically still beta but works perfectly well. shirling neueweise wrote: after doing backups manually for years -- and for that reason not doing them nearly often enough -- i am going to automate this. any suggestions? looking for something cheap to free if possible. i need something that allows as much of the following as possible: - timed as well as manual backups - different timings for different BUs - same files/folders backed up simultaneously to two or more places - reminder / alarm if BU not done within X days of scheduled BU - overwrites only necessary files thanks, jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. I haven't used it but I did look it over at one point. Easy to setup and beyond that, Im sure it's fine. If you want to spend $$ $, go with Retrospect. They've been on the Mac for a long time, the software is bullet-proof, and very thorough to automate. I've been using it for more about 12 years. My system backs up every morning at 12:30 am without fail. I have mine setup to back up to a Firewire drive and a tape drive. I'm a bit obsessive about it, but it has saved my butt a couple of times, and I sleep really well. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 7:02 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: after doing backups manually for years -- and for that reason not doing them nearly often enough -- i am going to automate this. any suggestions? looking for something cheap to free if possible. i need something that allows as much of the following as possible: - timed as well as manual backups - different timings for different BUs - same files/folders backed up simultaneously to two or more places - reminder / alarm if BU not done within X days of scheduled BU - overwrites only necessary files thanks, jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
ThomaStudios wrote If you want to spend $$ $, go with Retrospect. I was so put off by Retrospect that I purposely left it off my list. I'll take your word that recent versions are better, but I think the recent versions are quite pricey, and I am unhappy about the lack of update path the company provided to me. Still, the last time I read a comparison review (a couple of years back), the reviewer claimed that Retrospect did not fully understand the intricacies of OSX Tiger volumes the way SuperDuper does. SuperDuper allows you to create a bootable copy, if you are willing to dedicate a firewire or USB-2 drive to it. (I'm not.) Instead I backup to disc images. What I like about either mode of SuperDuper, as compared with Retrospect, is that I can mount the backup image and rummage through it with Finder (in case I need to get an earlier version of a file). The version of Retrospect that I used required me to go through the clunky UI of their client, which means if some new software update comes along that is incompatible with their client, I can't access my backed up files. In any case, SuperDuper is MUCH faster than the old version of Retrospect that I was using. Of course, all bets may be off with Leopard. I haven't yet checked for a Leopard-aware version of either product. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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For timed backups, I uses the online service Mozy.com. holy krap, sounds interesting... i know it's so oldschool, but is it possible to create hard backups from the online data? absolutely failsafe in case of fire or even hurricane or earthquake, which could nail an offsite backup in the same city. hm, a little too paranoid for my taste, but hey, you have backups and i don't! I'm afraid I've gotten rather careless with SuperDuper... can you not automate backups with it? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Robert, You're right, Retrospect is NOT cheap. But I seem to remember getting it bundled with a drive at some point way back, when it was known as Retrospect Client I think. At that time it was about $249. But I got it with the drive and started using it. Upgrade paths have been painle$$ AFAICR, and as I've said, I've had no issues whatsoever with it. It even reminds me when to clean my tape drive. It has handled every OS X volume I've set up, but the usual caveat applies, YMMV. I have read great things about SuperDuper, and I'm sure there are others. Plus, you're right again about Leopard, ya never know what lurks with an OS change. I'm still on Tiger. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote If you want to spend $$ $, go with Retrospect. I was so put off by Retrospect that I purposely left it off my list. I'll take your word that recent versions are better, but I think the recent versions are quite pricey, and I am unhappy about the lack of update path the company provided to me. Still, the last time I read a comparison review (a couple of years back), the reviewer claimed that Retrospect did not fully understand the intricacies of OSX Tiger volumes the way SuperDuper does. SuperDuper allows you to create a bootable copy, if you are willing to dedicate a firewire or USB-2 drive to it. (I'm not.) Instead I backup to disc images. What I like about either mode of SuperDuper, as compared with Retrospect, is that I can mount the backup image and rummage through it with Finder (in case I need to get an earlier version of a file). The version of Retrospect that I used required me to go through the clunky UI of their client, which means if some new software update comes along that is incompatible with their client, I can't access my backed up files. In any case, SuperDuper is MUCH faster than the old version of Retrospect that I was using. Of course, all bets may be off with Leopard. I haven't yet checked for a Leopard-aware version of either product. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. hi, thanks. yeh i forgot to mention i'm on 10.4, but i guess sometime should upgrade anyways... If you want to spend $$$, go with Retrospect. 800 clams. ouch. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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shirling neueweise wrote: holy krap, sounds interesting... i know it's so oldschool, but is it possible to create hard backups from the online data? Well, I don't backup the *whole* drive to Mozy: just my data files, which includes recordings of my concerts, which is why my upload was so large. You can access your files over the web from anywhere. (easily if you use their encryption key. Otherwise you must supply yours.) I suggest you read more at their site for these kinds of answers. I live on top of one of the most volatile (if recently inactive) earthquake faults in the US. Also, I don't see how anyone could look at images of Katrina or the floods in Houston a few years ago and not start thinking about it. I know a composer who lost his entire life's work up to that point because his basement flooded several years ago. (He was really old school at the time, using paper and pen and all.) can you not automate backups with it? I have not tried to automate backups with SuperDuper, because the whole point is to have an offsite volume backup. But I think it is possible. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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$800. Wow. I don't think so. Are you sure you looked at the most appropriate product for you? I just looked it up. They now call it Retrospect Desktop. Here's one place selling it for less than $100. HTH. Good luck with whatever you go with. You WILL rest easier. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:57 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. hi, thanks. yeh i forgot to mention i'm on 10.4, but i guess sometime should upgrade anyways... If you want to spend $$$, go with Retrospect. 800 clams. ouch. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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ThomaStudios wrote: They now call it Retrospect Desktop. BTW, it sounds like you are using removable media for backups. (You mentioned tapes.) In my book that is old-school, and Retrospect may indeed be the best bet for that approach. SuperDuper is intended for backing up to another hard drive. These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Two questions: Is there any disadvantage to using a 2nd internal drive for backups (as opposed to an external one) and, are there shortcomings with Time Machine (Leopard's auto-backup system) that I should know about? So far, it seems to be working well. TIA, Chuck PS - on the subject of expressions, one of Jimmy Knepper's favorites was play it molto obvioso. I love that. On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: They now call it Retrospect Desktop. BTW, it sounds like you are using removable media for backups. (You mentioned tapes.) In my book that is old-school, and Retrospect may indeed be the best bet for that approach. SuperDuper is intended for backing up to another hard drive. These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I am using tapes, but also a Firewire drive. Tapes may be old school, but I can recall one time when having them saved my a** big time when my Firewire drive was offsite. So I don't mind being 'old school' on this one. When I do access backups, 99 times out of 100 (or more) I'm accessing from the FW drive. You mentioned you live on a very active earthquake fault. Might I ask where you are? I lived in SmelLA for over 20 years, so I can relate. I now live in OR and just updated my homeowner's policy about 2 weeks ago to include earthquake insurance. A small amount of peace of mind, but every little bit helps. I do like the info you've been spreading around about the online site. I do intend to look at that as an additional alternative. Thanks. Like I said, every little bit… L8R J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 3, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: They now call it Retrospect Desktop. BTW, it sounds like you are using removable media for backups. (You mentioned tapes.) In my book that is old-school, and Retrospect may indeed be the best bet for that approach. SuperDuper is intended for backing up to another hard drive. These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) what about this HD on 'roids? http://www.apple.com/ca/timecapsule ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Not really on Roids. It has a server grade hard drive, so, supposedly you can leave it on for months/years without it failing. I think Time Machine is a great option for backup. On 2/3/08, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days it seems external hard drives (Firewire or USB-2) provide the best bang for the buck as backup media. (Also ease-of-use.) what about this HD on 'roids? http://www.apple.com/ca/timecapsule ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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ThomaStudios wrote: You mentioned you live on a very active earthquake fault. Actually I said I live on a volatile fault. However, it has not been active for many years. It is the New Madrid fault centered in southeast Missouri. Geologists warn the next big New Madrid earthquake could happen any time which could mean any time from by the time I hit SEND to not within my lifetime. But the New Madrid fault is responsible for the biggest rearrangement of landscape ever recorded in the lower 48. It happened in the early 19th cent. before there was much population in the Mississippi Valley. Witnesses said the Mississippi (which may I remind you is one of the largest rivers in the world) ran backwards for days, filling up what is now called Reelfoot Lake in NW Tennessee. The New Madrid is a deep fault, unlike the San Andreas, and I believe I have read that its motion is vertical rather than horizontal. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Chuck Israels wrote: Is there any disadvantage to using a 2nd internal drive for backups (as opposed to an external one) and, are there shortcomings with Time Machine (Leopard's auto-backup system) that I should know about? So far, it seems to be working well. Any backup is better than none, but consider the following scenarios. 1. The head on your hard drive collides with the platter of your hard drive and renders the drive unusable. Time Machine is now worthless. 2. A power surge sends a jolt into your computer and fries all the circuitry in it. Your backup on the internal drive is now worthless *and* your Time Machine is worthless. 3. Your house is destroyed by flood, fire, etc. Now any backup in the house is (presumably) worthless. 4. Your region is ravaged by a hurricane, earthquake, or flooding (as happened so recently to New Orleans). Now not only are all the backups at your house potentially worthless, but so are any at your office. 5. Your country is ravaged by war, and most of the infrastructure is destroyed. Now any backup in that country is at risk. 6. All of civilization is brought down by thermonuclear war/environmental collapse/asteroid impact/robot revolution/zombification/apocolypse of your choice. Probably no backup anywhere is any good at this point, unless you have it in a sealed underground bunker powered by an indefinitely renewable independent power source. It all depends on your comfort level with risk. I personally don't worry about scenarios 5 or 6, but 1-4 are quite plausible and have happened either to me or people I know right here in the USA. Scenario 5 is quite plausible for many people in the world. Online backup solutions (of which Mozy is only one option) provide coverage for all but number 6, plus they give you access to your data from anywhere. Furthermore, they are easy and cheap to set up. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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That's cool. You could have yourself an Apline retreat after the next quake ;-) On 2/3/08, Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ThomaStudios wrote: You mentioned you live on a very active earthquake fault. Actually I said I live on a volatile fault. However, it has not been active for many years. It is the New Madrid fault centered in southeast Missouri. Geologists warn the next big New Madrid earthquake could happen any time which could mean any time from by the time I hit SEND to not within my lifetime. But the New Madrid fault is responsible for the biggest rearrangement of landscape ever recorded in the lower 48. It happened in the early 19th cent. before there was much population in the Mississippi Valley. Witnesses said the Mississippi (which may I remind you is one of the largest rivers in the world) ran backwards for days, filling up what is now called Reelfoot Lake in NW Tennessee. The New Madrid is a deep fault, unlike the San Andreas, and I believe I have read that its motion is vertical rather than horizontal. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 3 Feb 2008 at 10:52, ThomaStudios wrote: I am using tapes, but also a Firewire drive. Tapes may be old school, but I can recall one time when having them saved my a** big time when my Firewire drive was offsite. Tapes can be very useful as part of an overall backup strategy -- nothing old-school about it at all! All proper backup strategies should have these characteristics: 1. happens as automatically as possible. 2. easily accessible and easily restored from. 3. includes provisions for offsite backups as well. Tapes happen to be very good for #3, but terrible for #2. I have a client who has a dedicated backup server with a few terabytes of storage and nightly backups of servers are kept there. Weekly drive images of servers and workstations are also written there (the servers are full images, the workstations incremental, if I remember correctly). Then there's a full DLT tape backup system that runs on the server every night after the other backup, and each week a the previous week's last tape backup is taken home by the CEO (and she brings in the last backup tape she had at home). Tapes are re-used, and they always have offsite backups of the servers. Now, if they were designing their backup strategy from scratch, they likely wouldn't use tape backups. But I'm not sure what they *would* use -- the DLT system is the old backup system, which was replaced with the backup server (which was built from a retired domain controller by putting in an IDE RAID array of many hard drives), and so offered them the flexibility of continuing to use the tapes as their backup to their main backup. What? You didn't know you needed a backup to your backup system? YES! You do! The only time I've seen clients lose data is when multiple levels of backup failed. I don't know if you recall a couple of years ago the Roosevelt Island Tram here in NYC broke down and some people were trapped on it for 12 hours or so. The tram system had THREE backups, but one of those was in the shop for refurbishing, and when the main system broke down, they swapped in the backup system, and it *failed*. That's exactly the kind of situation I've seen with my clients, where you think you're covered, and then multiple levels of redundancy fail at once. So, the lesson is that you just can't have too many redundant backups. For Windows computers, I use Acronis TrueImage for making disk images (incremental every day, full image every week), and Second Copy for backing up files incrementally (keeping 10 deep versions of all the files). One client of backs up her laptop with these two pieces of software to an external hard drive at home, and then a different set of backups run when she's in her office, backing up to the office server (which has an extra hard drive in it that serves as the backup drive). Thus, she always has offsite backups, since her backups run in two different locations. I don't know what I'd recommend for offsite backups otherwise. DVDs? Those aren't re-usable, so they'd accumulate, but they don't take up much room. A portable hard drive might be attractive, but the form factor for large ones is not very good (the ones the size of 2 cigarette packs are only 200GBs or smaller, which may not be enough), and you'll need at least two of them. That's why tapes are still attractive since, though they are expensive (the DLT tapes the client I mentioned above uses are over $100 each), they are still much less expensive than portable hard drives (though now that I think about it, not necessarily less expensive per GB). Any ideas from anyone? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 3 Feb 2008 at 13:33, Robert Patterson wrote: It all depends on your comfort level with risk. I personally don't worry about scenarios 5 or 6, but 1-4 are quite plausible and have happened either to me or people I know right here in the USA. Scenario 5 is quite plausible for many people in the world. Online backup solutions (of which Mozy is only one option) provide coverage for all but number 6, plus they give you access to your data from anywhere. Furthermore, they are easy and cheap to set up. But there are major security considerations that most people ignore. While a home user may not need to worry much about her data being on someone else's server, I think any business would want to think twice about it. On the other hand, if an online backup service allows you to control your own encryption, then that would be OK, since nobody but you would be able to read the data. But so far as I know, none of the services I've seen offer that (though I'll admit it's been a while since I last investigated this thoroughly). The other issue is that online backup solutions are relatively *slow* compared to local ones. Consider the issue of delivering movies to home users. Who has more bandwidth -- Netflix, or any of the services that deliver the movies over the Internet? Obviously, Netflix has *much* more bandwidth, but there is a much higher degree of *latency*, since you have to wait for the disk in the mail. It seems to me that somebody ought to make a business out of storing backup DVDs -- you'd mail a copy of your weekly backup DVD to a warehouse on the other side of the country. The fact that it takes several days to get there is really irrelevant. If it were combined with the possibility of mounting the DVD in an automated rack that could access the DVD across the Internet, that would be the best of both worlds! Maybe I should write a business plan! -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 5:57 PM +0100 2/3/08, shirling neueweise wrote: If you're on a Mac and intend, or are already on Leopard, try Backup. hi, thanks. yeh i forgot to mention i'm on 10.4, but i guess sometime should upgrade anyways... My son-in-law is an IT specialist, and he told us all to wait until the initial bugs are worked out. Smart boy! John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
On Feb 3, 2008, at 6:14 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: It seems to me that somebody ought to make a business out of storing backup DVDs -- you'd mail a copy of your weekly backup DVD to a warehouse on the other side of the country. The fact that it takes several days to get there is really irrelevant. If it were combined with the possibility of mounting the DVD in an automated rack that could access the DVD across the Internet, that would be the best of both worlds! Maybe I should write a business plan! You might very well be on to something there, David! One of the things that gave me pause about an online backup is a MONTH of constant uploading before the entire drive was backed up. Not so bad to start with, but what about restores? Another month? That would hamstring me. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: OSX backup software suggestions?
Friends: Of the scenarios about which Robert Patterson wrote, this one: 2. A power surge sends a jolt into your computer and fries all the circuitry in it. Your backup on the internal drive is now worthless *and* your Time Machine is worthless. may, if one is willing or able to spend the money, may be reversible. While the power surge may have fried the circuitry of the hard drive, unless it physically damaged the platters themselves, companies which specialize in data recovery from hard drives generally can replace the circuit boards in the drive, so that the data can be recovered, though at substantial cost. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
