Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

-Lee

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Subject: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.



The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[David H. Bailey]

On 2/12/2016 10:35 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:
> Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application 
> has been a built in feature for several years.

And your point is . . . ?  How does that comment help a Windows user who 
is asking for help with creating a PDF?


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Graeme Gerrard]

Of course it doesn’t help with your immediate problem.  It’s a long term thing. 
 When next you are buying a new system, you might make another choice.
Probably not though.

> On 13 Feb 2016, at 9:09 pm, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> On 2/12/2016 10:35 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:
>> Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application 
>> has been a built in feature for several years.
> 
> And your point is . . . ?  How does that comment help a Windows user who 
> is asking for help with creating a PDF?
> 
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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[timothy price]

Graeme,

Thanks for mentioning the Mac feature. As you know, 90 plus % of the time we 
are reading snafus regarding Microsoft and PCs. For us Mac users it is a pretty 
unproductive time spent reading other people's endless hassles and shortcomings 
with Microsoft.  

Cheers,

tim


On Feb 13, 2016, at 6:05 AM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:

> Of course it doesn’t help with your immediate problem.  It’s a long term 
> thing.  When next you are buying a new system, you might make another choice.
> Probably not though.
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2016, at 9:09 pm, David H. Bailey  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2/12/2016 10:35 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:
>>> Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application 
>>> has been a built in feature for several years.
>> 
>> And your point is . . . ?  How does that comment help a Windows user who 
>> is asking for help with creating a PDF?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[GERALD BERG]

Lee apologized for Bullwhatzitz being PC only. I was curious but found Graeme's 
point helpful to be less so.
I appreciated it. GJB

  From: David H. Bailey <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
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 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 5:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find
   
On 2/12/2016 10:35 PM, Graeme Gerrard wrote:
> Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application 
> has been a built in feature for several years.

And your point is . . . ?  How does that comment help a Windows user who 
is asking for help with creating a PDF?


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Michael Mathew]

Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen size 
and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc. I have 
encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost notes.
Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com 
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On Friday, February 12, 2016 9:28 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
 wrote:
 

 Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.



The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:13 pm, Michael Mathew wrote:
> Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen size
> and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc. I
> have encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost
> notes.

Thanks! Just did a reboot, reload, redraw, update layout, etc. They don't
appear on the screen anywhere, and I just created a new PDF. Still there.

Just hate this when it's a client. I can live with the poorer screen display
of print-to-PDF for my stuff, but don't want that for them.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Raymond Horton]

If you get desperate, there are some sites on the web on which you can edit
PDFs. That might work for you
On Feb 12, 2016 1:25 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" 
wrote:

> On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:13 pm, Michael Mathew wrote:
> > Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen
> size
> > and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc.
> I
> > have encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost
> > notes.
>
> Thanks! Just did a reboot, reload, redraw, update layout, etc. They don't
> appear on the screen anywhere, and I just created a new PDF. Still there.
>
> Just hate this when it's a client. I can live with the poorer screen
> display
> of print-to-PDF for my stuff, but don't want that for them.
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

BTW, the screen display of the Bullzip print-to-pdf I mentioned earlier
produces very attractive and consistent screen displays, even at high
resolutions.  I'm thinking of staff lines here, which can look terrible on
screen in some pdfs.

-Lee

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:13 pm, Michael Mathew wrote:
> Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen size
> and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc. I
> have encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost
> notes.

Thanks! Just did a reboot, reload, redraw, update layout, etc. They don't
appear on the screen anywhere, and I just created a new PDF. Still there.

Just hate this when it's a client. I can live with the poorer screen display
of print-to-PDF for my stuff, but don't want that for them.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:56 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I've never liked any program's "export to PDF" functions -- I've always
> found the "print to PDF" using a 3rd-party PDF printer app installed as
> a printer driver to work the best.  No odd characters (I recall some of
> those from Finale files when I've tried "export to PDF") and the file
> size, in my experience, is smaller when I do a "print to PDF" than when
> I do an "export to PDF."
>
> Since both functions take about the same amount of time I see no reason
> to bother with "export to PDF."

It does require changing printer, and there are no advanced settings with the
built-in Microsoft PDF printer. Its screen display of curves isn't as good.

The PDF virtual printer I'd been happily using for years (docPrint Pro) no
longer shows up as a printer on Windows 10.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Raymond Horton]

I have been using CutePDF for years, never a problem.
On Feb 12, 2016 12:28 PM, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.
>
> 
>
> The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
> locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
> of
> the "3" that I use for tuplets.
>
> I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
> somewhere way out of view. No luck.
>
> Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
> export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
> that
> use the same template.
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[David H. Bailey]

On 2/12/2016 1:25 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:13 pm, Michael Mathew wrote:
>> Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen size
>> and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc. I
>> have encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost
>> notes.
>
> Thanks! Just did a reboot, reload, redraw, update layout, etc. They don't
> appear on the screen anywhere, and I just created a new PDF. Still there.
>
> Just hate this when it's a client. I can live with the poorer screen display
> of print-to-PDF for my stuff, but don't want that for them.
>


I've never liked any program's "export to PDF" functions -- I've always 
found the "print to PDF" using a 3rd-party PDF printer app installed as 
a printer driver to work the best.  No odd characters (I recall some of 
those from Finale files when I've tried "export to PDF") and the file 
size, in my experience, is smaller when I do a "print to PDF" than when 
I do an "export to PDF."

Since both functions take about the same amount of time I see no reason 
to bother with "export to PDF."




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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:38 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
> If you get desperate, there are some sites on the web on which you can edit
> PDFs. That might work for you

Thanks, yes, I'd forgotten that I have Adobe Acrobat. Unfortunately, deleting
those two characters also moves all the font characters (not stems or beams)
up about 5 inches.

I edited them to make them invisibly small. That works. For now -- though I
don't like it!

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Graeme Gerrard]

You can edit PDFs in photoshop, they just import as images.

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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[David H. Bailey]

On 2/12/2016 2:23 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:56 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
>> I've never liked any program's "export to PDF" functions -- I've always
>> found the "print to PDF" using a 3rd-party PDF printer app installed as
>> a printer driver to work the best.  No odd characters (I recall some of
>> those from Finale files when I've tried "export to PDF") and the file
>> size, in my experience, is smaller when I do a "print to PDF" than when
>> I do an "export to PDF."
>>
>> Since both functions take about the same amount of time I see no reason
>> to bother with "export to PDF."
>
> It does require changing printer, and there are no advanced settings with the
> built-in Microsoft PDF printer. Its screen display of curves isn't as good.
>
> The PDF virtual printer I'd been happily using for years (docPrint Pro) no
> longer shows up as a printer on Windows 10.
>


There are others -- I use Gaaiho, which installed as part of Nuance's 
PDF Pro, which is a terrific and affordable PDF editing program.  I 
don't know if Gaaiho is available as a stand-alone product.

But there are others - CutePDF is one, PDF995 (the ads show up onscreen 
but not on the printout -- pay the $9.95 and the ads disappear for 
good).  I'm sure there are other free ones.

I didn't even know Microsoft had finally included a PDF printer.  :-)


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

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Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:29 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.



The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:38 pm, Lee Actor wrote:
> I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
> tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
> exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
> characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
> there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
> export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
> print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
> it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
> current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
> very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
> individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
> Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
> several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

It's perfect, thanks. I've suffered many a defective soft printer (including
CutePDF and PDF995, neither of which handled all the files properly). docPrint
Pro worked great, but its printer driver isn't Windows 10 compatible.

After a few tries -- including files with embedded graphics -- Bullzip does
the job. The results are clean and economical.

Thanks to you and the other person who recommended it.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Graeme Gerrard]

Mac people don’t have these problems.  Printing to PDF from any application has 
been a built in feature for several years.
Graeme
> On 13 Feb 2016, at 1:30 pm, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:38 pm, Lee Actor wrote:
>> I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
>> tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
>> exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
>> characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
>> there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
>> export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
>> print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
>> it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
>> current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
>> very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
>> individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
>> Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
>> several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.
> 
> It's perfect, thanks. I've suffered many a defective soft printer (including
> CutePDF and PDF995, neither of which handled all the files properly). docPrint
> Pro worked great, but its printer driver isn't Windows 10 compatible.
> 
> After a few tries -- including files with embedded graphics -- Bullzip does
> the job. The results are clean and economical.
> 
> Thanks to you and the other person who recommended it.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
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