Re: [Finale] Templates
Use MusicXML !!! I haven't experienced losing items, but I had all sorts of HP problems with an old template I had to use on a project. I exported to MusicXML and re-imported into Finale 2014. (Actually I think I did both export and import on 2014) That solved the problems. Obviously there were some data structures in the .MUS file that Finale 2014 was not handling correctly, which I consider a bug, but the MusicXML conversion gives you a clean start. It isn't perfect. You will still have to go back and tweak some things in your template, but I was surprised how close it got. On 2/18/2015 12:31 PM, Steve Parker wrote: I have a small but time consuming problem with items disappearing. Tech support have told me it is because I’m using a template made in a Finale version before 2014 and that I should create new Templates in 2014. Almost every setting is tweaked as well as a lot of carefully placed items, so this seems an overwhelming job for every template that I use. Is there any way of printing the settings or is there a file hidden somewhere that I can raid for text of the templates’ settings? Thanks, Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Robert Patterson has kindly completely sorted this for me. His plugin solved it without needing to redo anything. Steve P. On 27 Feb 2015, at 14:09, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote: Use MusicXML !!! I haven't experienced losing items, but I had all sorts of HP problems with an old template I had to use on a project. I exported to MusicXML and re-imported into Finale 2014. (Actually I think I did both export and import on 2014) That solved the problems. Obviously there were some data structures in the .MUS file that Finale 2014 was not handling correctly, which I consider a bug, but the MusicXML conversion gives you a clean start. It isn't perfect. You will still have to go back and tweak some things in your template, but I was surprised how close it got. On 2/18/2015 12:31 PM, Steve Parker wrote: I have a small but time consuming problem with items disappearing. Tech support have told me it is because I’m using a template made in a Finale version before 2014 and that I should create new Templates in 2014. Almost every setting is tweaked as well as a lot of carefully placed items, so this seems an overwhelming job for every template that I use. Is there any way of printing the settings or is there a file hidden somewhere that I can raid for text of the templates’ settings? Thanks, Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
It happens with 2012 also, part of it appears to be a Windows 8 issue, I do not see the same sub directories with saving and opening files. Have wasted so much time trying to get IPA syllables in a Warm-up and after I kinda get it right, the file either won't open or disappears. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: I have a small but time consuming problem with items disappearing. Tech support have told me it is because I’m using a template made in a Finale version before 2014 and that I should create new Templates in 2014. Almost every setting is tweaked as well as a lot of carefully placed items, so this seems an overwhelming job for every template that I use. Is there any way of printing the settings or is there a file hidden somewhere that I can raid for text of the templates’ settings? Thanks, Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu -- *David C. Woodard, JrPresidentMusic Education Consultants, Inc.6 Wintersun LnFairview, NC 28730828-628-9550 ph.* *828-691-0049 cell* *877-320-9957 Fax* *davidcwoodar...@gmail.com davidcwoodar...@gmail.com* *http://www.musicedconsultantsinc.com/* http://www.musicedconsultantsinc.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
document options i would think gets it all. if upgrading then also programme options. libraries: - stem connections - articulations - text expressions - ... depending on how much of an overhaul you are doing. i did this between 2012 and 2014, started with a new doc no libraries. was a big pain in the ass, but also an opportunity to clean up my working environment at the same time. i was fortunate in being able to do it in a little bit of downtime and not in the middle of a new project with time constraints. I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Don't document options save to libraries? I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk: I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is going to get transferred by importing my libraries. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@gmail.com wrote: Don't document options save to libraries? I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk: I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Don't document options save to libraries? the two times i needed to do this: 1) i started from scratch so did it from the ground up; 2) i needed only some of the settings, and kept some in the doc i was importing to so had no choice but to do it one by one (certain libraries can be imported individually but certain areas are only possible to export as a library in a bundle). I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. some stem connection settings are not imported in a stem connections library. -- NEW RELEASE!!! neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Recreating a template for a new version is a tortuous and torturous task. Robert Patterson's Scrapbook Setting plugin just doesn't seem to work for me, and I'm not sure it's comprehensive enough to completely recreate a template with all one's refinements. If someone came up with a plug-in that did this reliably, I'd pay good money for it. I've requested this from the Finale developers, but they didn't bite. Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |SN jef chippewa |Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:36 PM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Templates | | |when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the |document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on |my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. | |thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, |ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them |(1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the |order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the word of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are disappearing, what does that mean? On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is going to get transferred by importing my libraries. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@gmail.com wrote: Don't document options save to libraries? I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk: I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
Two things. Firstly, the name of the score in score manager doesn't survive closing the file. Secondly, text boxes with inserts disappear when the file is closed and re-opened. I couldn't get further with tech support. These things didn't happen with new files created from the wizard and they did happen with template-created files from 2008 and 2012. I would have thought that Finale would be interested in what was going on, but it seemed not. I'm not sure what could be up with the templates other than settings. They can't all have corrupted in the same way overnight. The work to start them all again is depressing.. There are some jobs that will just not be worth the work. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:10, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the word of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are disappearing, what does that mean? On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is going to get transferred by importing my libraries. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@gmail.com wrote: Don't document options save to libraries? I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk: I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Templates
I would recommend opening the templates in their original version and running data check on them. Then open them in Fin14 and run data check on them again. Save the result as a Fin14 template and see if you continue to have the problem. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: Two things. Firstly, the name of the score in score manager doesn't survive closing the file. Secondly, text boxes with inserts disappear when the file is closed and re-opened. I couldn't get further with tech support. These things didn't happen with new files created from the wizard and they did happen with template-created files from 2008 and 2012. I would have thought that Finale would be interested in what was going on, but it seemed not. I'm not sure what could be up with the templates other than settings. They can't all have corrupted in the same way overnight. The work to start them all again is depressing.. There are some jobs that will just not be worth the work. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:10, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: Personally I am skeptical that the upgraded templates are the source of your problem. It's possible, I suppose, but I would want more than the word of a tech support person to believe it. When you say things are disappearing, what does that mean? On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: I’m also worried that whatever is causing the disappearance of items is going to get transferred by importing my libraries. Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:01, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre yorkmaster...@gmail.com wrote: Don't document options save to libraries? I get my line parameters and defined expressions, when I load my customized library to scratch documents. One aspect not loaded to library is line thickness of smart shape lines. Klaus Sendt fra min iPad Den 18/02/2015 kl. 22.44 skrev Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk: I was dreading that that might be the solution.. I was hoping that Finale might store them in a text file somewhere… Are there any gotchas? I need libraries, document settings, details of any page items.. anything else? Thanks! Steve P. On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:36, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: when i had to do this, i simply took screenshots of every possible page in the document options, opened my finale doc in the main screen and the images on my smaller screen and hacked through transferring the settings one by one. yuck. thought i was being clever by naming all the screenshots (ties_short, ties_medium, etc.) - i was to a degree, but should have prefixed numbers to them (1a_xxx, 1b_xxx, ...) so they would be listed alphabetically corresponding to the order in which they appear in the dialogue tabs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
