Re: [Fink-devel] fink.conf(5) manpage added, docs suggestions

2003-01-16 Thread Christian Schaffner
Only a small thing: When I type 'man fink.conf' I get: mdoc warning: list open at EOF! A .Bl directive has no matching .El Also, I think it would be nice to document 'fink list -o' (outdated) and 'fink list -i' (installed) etc. in fink.man. On Mittwoch, Januar 15, 2003, at 10:46 Uhr, Finlay D

Re: [Fink-devel] serious libtool bug ?

2003-01-16 Thread Peter O'Gorman
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 01:47 AM, Max Horn wrote: So what do you think? Is this still your stance: At 23:28 Uhr +0900 15.01.2003, Peter O'Gorman wrote: You are, of course correct with the compatibility versions, and I think it is worth getting this upstream even if it breaks binary

Re: [Fink-devel] serious libtool bug ?

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
> I really don't know, it would be nice if some others would pipe up... Hi guys. I'm at a conference this week, using my few available Fink moments for finishing up the 0.5.1 distribution. I'm sure that in a day or two I'll be able to read this thread and comment in detail about the libtool prob

[Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Folks, dmalloc has proposed the following revised legal statement. He says that he got no feedback about it although I don't remember having seen it before. I personally do not think that a number of the clauses in the revised statement are appropriate for Fink. Any other opinions? -- Dave P

Re: [Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Donnerstag, Jänner 16, 2003, at 01:40 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: Folks, dmalloc has proposed the following revised legal statement. He says that he got no feedback about it although I don't remember having seen it before.

Re: [Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Just to give an example of something in the new legal statement which needs work: The statement says that downloads may be made for personal, non-commercial use only. Actually, the Fink code itself is covered under the GPL, which has NO clause about non-commercial use. All but a very tiny number

Re: [Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Donnerstag, Jänner 16, 2003, at 02:27 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: Just to give an example of something in the new legal statement which needs work: The statement says that downloads may be made for personal, non-commercial use onl

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: X11 install_name fixer script

2003-01-16 Thread Dave Schroeder
This is handled if you install the X11 for Mac OS X SDK; the SDK is listed as a requirement in Fink's FAQ. No it isn't. Yes it is. From http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#apple-binary : "[...] then install Apple's X11 and X11 SDK [...]" Huh? No, the SDK package does not fi

[Fink-devel] Xemacs on Fink (?)

2003-01-16 Thread Rick Taube
Hello, I installed the latest Fink yesterday, the Apple X11 Server, the developer toolkit and the free86 package. I want to insall Xemacs, which is listed on the Fink site in the package list under Editors. However, now that I have everything set up andready to go,! when I do 'fink list' the p

Re: [Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Yes, but the software we are creating is released under the GPL, and your legal statement contradicts the GPL. Fink itself is GPL'd. -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com Understand how to protect your customers personal

Re: [Fink-devel] Xemacs on Fink (?)

2003-01-16 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
a fink selfupdate-cvs isn't possible at the moment because the sourceforge CVS server is temporarily down. A little patience, or doing something else in the meantime, is unfortunately the best advice I have. chaals (also waiting for CVS so I can install some stuff) On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Rick Taub

Re: [Fink-devel] revised legal statement?

2003-01-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Donnerstag, Jänner 16, 2003, at 02:58 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: Yes, but the software we are creating is released under the GPL, and your legal statement contradicts the GPL. Fink itself is GPL'd. I'll adjust that then.

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 8:35 Uhr +0100 16.01.2003, David wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hello guys. Inoticed that we use "pt" to determine which font size to display. That might be problematic on some operating systems since point size is not something that renders at the same resolution

Re: [Fink-devel] Xemacs on Fink (?)

2003-01-16 Thread Alexander Hansen
Unfortunately, because anonymous CVS is down, you won't be able to get new package descriptions for the source distro for the time being, and xemacs isn't in the binary distro yet. If you'd like, I can send you the .info and .patch files for xemacs and its dependencies. I'd advocate putting them

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: X11 install_name fixer script

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 7:47 Uhr -0600 16.01.2003, Dave Schroeder wrote: This is handled if you install the X11 for Mac OS X SDK; the SDK is listed as a requirement in Fink's FAQ. No it isn't. Yes it is. From http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#apple-binary : "[...] then install Apple's X11 and

Re: [Fink-devel] serious libtool bug ?

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 20:19 Uhr +0900 16.01.2003, Peter O'Gorman wrote: On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 01:47 AM, Max Horn wrote: So what do you think? Is this still your stance: At 23:28 Uhr +0900 15.01.2003, Peter O'Gorman wrote: You are, of course correct with the compatibility versions, and I think it is

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Why don't you just do it? Because I really do not feel like triggering a flood of protest. Changing the site "layout" is considered a pretty "big" step by me and I really do not feel that settled within the project yet that people would si

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Max Horn wrote: >At 8:35 Uhr +0100 16.01.2003, David wrote: >>Inoticed that we use "pt" to determine which font size to display. >>That might be problematic on some operating systems since point size >>is not something that renders at the same resolution on all screens >>acros

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 You are my man then. Would you accept looking over the Fink website, its css and layout concerning usability and accessibility as your task? I know you already offered yourself as a documentation writer but given your past you'd be pretty darn

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 9:25 Uhr -0500 16.01.2003, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Max Horn wrote: At 8:35 Uhr +0100 16.01.2003, David wrote: Inoticed that we use "pt" to determine which font size to display. That might be problematic on some operating systems since point size is not something th

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, David wrote: > > >> >> Why don't you just do it? >Because I really do not feel like triggering a flood of protest. >Changing the site "layout" is considered a pretty "big" step by me and >I really do not feel that settled within the project yet that people >would simply accept

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, David wrote: > >You are my man then. Would you accept looking over the Fink website, >its css and layout concerning usability and accessibility as your task? >I know you already offered yourself as a documentation writer but given >your past you'd be pretty darn perfect for th

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 9:38 Uhr -0500 16.01.2003, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, David wrote: Why don't you just do it? Because I really do not feel like triggering a flood of protest. Changing the site "layout" is considered a pretty "big" step by me and I really do not feel that settled

[Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
With an eye towards constructing an automated build system for the binary distribution one of these days, I'd like to propose a new field for fink .info files: BinaryDistribution: True/False or Yes/No This field would only be consulted if the package is labeled License: Restrictive and in that

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread Christian Schaffner
On Donnerstag, Januar 16, 2003, at 04:36 Uhr, David R. Morrison wrote: BinaryDistribution: True/False or Yes/No Sounds good. I would go for True/False and default to False. This field would only be consulted if the package is labeled License: Restrictive and in that case, it would indicate

Re: [Fink-devel] Xemacs on Fink (?)

2003-01-16 Thread Jim White
Rick Taube wrote: Hello, I installed the latest Fink yesterday, the Apple X11 Server, the developer toolkit and the free86 package. I want to insall Xemacs, which is listed on the Fink site in the package list under Editors. However, now that I have everything set up andready to go,! when I do 'f

[Fink-devel] ccp4.

2003-01-16 Thread chixson
I had ccp4 installed, until recently, on my machine. In tracking down why man pages would not display, I discovered the following: In system-tetex.csh: set path = ( $path /usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current ) setenv MANPATH /sw/share/xtal/ccp4-4.2.2/man:/usr/man:/usr/local/teTeX/ma

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread Damian Steer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "David R. Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With an eye towards constructing an automated build system for the binary > distribution one of these days, I'd like to propose a new field for fink > .info files: > > BinaryDistribution: True/False or

Re: [Fink-devel] ccp4.

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
I am currently updating the ccp4 package, a revised version will be available when cvs returns. -Ben On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 08:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had ccp4 installed, until recently, on my machine. In tracking down why man pages would not display, I discovered the fo

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 10:36 Uhr -0500 16.01.2003, David R. Morrison wrote: With an eye towards constructing an automated build system for the binary distribution one of these days, I'd like to propose a new field for fink .info files: BinaryDistribution: True/False or Yes/No This field would only be consulted if t

[Fink-devel] Fink here Document Delimiter

2003-01-16 Thread Dustin Sias
I have been writing pre, post, update, remove scripts over the last week. It would be wonderful to be able to use the shells here document in these scripts. Could Finks here document delimiter be changed in the near future? Best Regards -Dustin ---

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink here Document Delimiter

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
It is relatively rare that such scripts are needed. Can you show an example where it would be useful? btw, i noticed that you use ranlib in the uw-imapd-c PostInstScript. I dont think that will work, since the PostInstScript is ran by users who install from binary who may not have the developer

[Fink-devel] mailing list archives

2003-01-16 Thread Finlay Dobbie
Just wondering why the mailing list archives on http://fink.sourceforge.net/lists/index.php point to www.mail-archive.com rather than SourceForge's mailing list archive? -- Finlay --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com Understand

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Hi Max. I've just gone through this process of figuring out which things to put on the exclude list for the third time. It is really painful, with the current tools. The maker of the bindist doesn't check each individual package to make sure that the license was correctly assigned, right? We le

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 14:33 Uhr -0500 16.01.2003, David R. Morrison wrote: Hi Max. I've just gone through this process of figuring out which things to put on the exclude list for the third time. It is really painful, with the current tools. Yes, but that "just" means the tools have to become better. They would

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink here Document Delimiter

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Dustin Sias wrote: Here is an example. this change would make it easy to change user, group, startup scripts, etc.. I like the /Library/StartupItems method. I would also like the package to create, update, delete user, group information. This is m

Re: [Fink-devel] mailing list archives

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 10:41 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: Just wondering why the mailing list archives on http://fink.sourceforge.net/lists/index.php point to www.mail-archive.com rather than SourceForge's mailing list archive? Because sf's mailing list archives suck? Though they re

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
OK, suppose we just introduce the license category "Distributible", and in the docs explain that Distributible covers non-open source licenses which allow Fink to distribute binaries. -- Dave --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Thawte.com

Re: [Fink-devel] ccp4.

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Looks like I need more quotation marks in the MATHPATH setting in system-tetex. It is supposed to read your current MANPATH, but it looks like instead, it read the MANPATH which was valid at the moment you compiled the package. -- Dave ---

Re: [Fink-devel] new field in .info files

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 12:00 PM, Max Horn wrote: Hrm, right as well. So why not split the Restrictive license class into two: Restrictive RestrictiveButDistributable (well, obviously with better names). That would seem more logical to me than a seperate field. Sounds good to me

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink here Document Delimiter

2003-01-16 Thread David R. Morrison
On the ranlab issue, this came up in one of my packages as well, and my solution was to test for the presence of ranlib before invoking it. The idea is, any user without the Developer Tools installed won't be linking against this library anyway, so it is harmless that ranlib was not run for them.

[Fink-devel] Octave-forge: To add or not to add path...

2003-01-16 Thread Per Persson
Hi, I just subitted an upated package for octave-forge to the tracker. There is one part that I don't particularly like and would like some feedback on: Octave-forge is a set of extensions to octave and must have its path added to octave's search path. There is a global startup script in /sw/sh

Re: [Fink-devel] Fink here Document Delimiter

2003-01-16 Thread Dustin Sias
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Dustin Sias wrote: Here is an example. this change would make it easy to change user, group, startup scripts, etc.. I like the /Library/StartupItems method. I would also like the package to create, update, delete user, group information. This is mo

Re: [Fink-devel] Concerning fink.css..

2003-01-16 Thread Alexander Strange
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Max Horn wrote: I definitly do *not* want to support v3 or v4 browsers in the sense that I care whether the page looks good to them or not. Fifth generation it is. lynx/links will just not display the CSS, and only render the HTML, which is perfectly

[Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
msek has vanished, anyone want to take the partial gnome2 packages in his experimental directory? We continue to get requests for them. People are even bashing fink because it doesn't have gnome 2. I agree, it is kinda silly. For that matter, anyone want to take over all of msek's packages? Do

Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 19:13 Uhr -0800 16.01.2003, Ben Hines wrote: msek has vanished, anyone want to take the partial gnome2 packages in his experimental directory? We continue to get requests for them. People are even bashing fink because it doesn't have gnome 2. I agree, it is kinda silly. For that matter, any

[Fink-devel] Masanori

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
A quick google search revealed this about Masanori (at least I assume it's him in all cases, seems likely, though. Information in there is probably outdated, plus my Japanase is rather nonexistant, so I don't know if it is of any help :-/ http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA008857/ -> [EMAIL PRO

Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Max Horn wrote: At 19:13 Uhr -0800 16.01.2003, Ben Hines wrote: msek has vanished, anyone want to take the partial gnome2 packages in his experimental directory? We continue to get requests for them. People are even bashing fink because it doesn't

Re: [Fink-devel] Masanori

2003-01-16 Thread Kow K
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:44 PM, Max Horn wrote: A quick google search revealed this about Masanori (at least I assume it's him in all cases, seems likely, though. Information in there is probably outdated, plus my Japanase is rather nonexistant, so I don't know if it is of any help :-

Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Kow K
On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:53 PM, Ben Hines wrote: Ho ho ho, wait a moment, not so fast. msek has "vanished" for one month (to be precise, his last CVS commit was on Dec 12th), ok, but then I was absent for almost a month, too. Maybe he's just sick or on a longer vacation or whateve

[Fink-devel] (Still) Problems with net-snmp and netinet headers in 10.2.3

2003-01-16 Thread Jeremy Higgs
Hi everyone, I'm trying to compile the newest version of net-snmp (5.0.7) for MacOS X 10.2.3, but am having the same problem as with the previous version: gcc -I../../include -I../../include -I. -I../.. -I. -I./../.. -I./../../snmplib -I./.. -I.. -no-cpp-precomp -I/sw/include -g -O2 -Ddarwin6

Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Jeremy Higgs
Well... as a precaution, it might be worthwhile compiling a database of alternate email addresses and phone numbers for the Fink developers (keeping it all private, of course), as long as they're OK with that. That way, if a developer does 'vanish', other developers (Max, David Morrison, etc et

[Fink-devel] Updating fink via CVS

2003-01-16 Thread John Davidorff Pell
For the life of me I cannot figure out why fink won't update from CVS, unless its a problem at sourceforge. It prints the following when I run fink selfupdate-cvs (after the questions about 1st time config): cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: Operation timed out ###