Re: [Fink-devel] fink feature request: finicky-install
Remi Mommsen wrote: [] on. You are asking for an interactive mode for creating package files... In addition it violates the fink policy that a deb file with a given name/version/revision should be identical regardless how and where it was built. It violates the even more important principle that Fink packages should *work*. In most cases (maybe not in the case of lynx), adding or removing arbitrary configure options will result in breakage. -- Martin --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink feedback?
Sure, we can wait. If there are bugs in 0.18.0 which need to be addressed, then we should fix them both in CVS HEAD, and in branch_0_18, and plan to release 0.18.1 which addresses them. Then, after 0.18.1 has been tested for a while, we can move it to stable and only then release 0.19.0. -- Dave --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Translating man page?
Just install a more recent man (fink's one for example) and it will display localised man pages, following your environment settings. Worked for me with fink's man 1.5k. I've found no fink's man, sorry, just manconf which is for Jaguar update and manedit, a graphical editor. Saw that. According to http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/man, the man package is on 0.4.1 and 10.1 only. But i got this on 10.2/unstable on my machine. Dunno why the man package seems to have been discontinued. But if 10.3's man is unable to deal with localized man page, it would be good to reintegrate it :) You could try to pick up the man info file from 10.2/unstable and put it in your local repository. If it works, you could submit it, the hard part may already be done :) I can't do that myself since i'm stuck with 10.2 for now. I cannot demand the user to install a Fink's man package I cannot even find for that purpose. Since the problem is beyond your package, it may be added in the FAQ for example. Moreover it should work also on other systems (RPM and Linux at the moment, but BSD is on its way too). It's totally independant from the packaging system and the OS. It will work until you have a recent man that handle it. I know theoretically how to do it, but I lack dramatically knowledge on languages used in Makefike. [snip] All that is pretty application-specific. It works but it's very inelegant, and I'm not sure how to parameterize it with a MANLANGDIRS = . fr es array for example. Something along this: for d in $(MANLANGDIRS); do mandir=$(mandir)/$(MANLANGDIRS)/man1 8888 #!/bin/sh MANLANGDIRS=. fr es for d in ($MANLANGDIRS); do echo $d; done 8888 That should do the trick. -- Bertrand Pike Language - http://pike.ida.liu.se/ Caudium WebServer - http://caudium.net/ CAMAS WebMail - http://caudium.net/camas/ --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: ERR: web website : Sections: Packages : 141
Am 04.02.2004 um 02:53 schrieb Ben Hines: [...] I believe this is not our fault. SF's SQL server is simply hosed today. This has happened in the past, nothing unusual. Indeed, all other projects are affected, too. SF.net staff is looking into it - seems some project is doing something improper and eating up all the processor time by spawning tons of MySQL processes .. or so. http://fink.sourceforge.net/phpmyadmin/ takes foreever to load for example. Anyway I started a manual inject of the PDB on fink.sf.net, and its been running for 35 minutes now... Just to double check, did you make sure to kill that process? Else the cron job / my manual update attemps will run into troubles :-) Max --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink feedback?
I'm happy to release 0.18.1 with this bugfix. Any other bugs that we need to squash in the same release? -- Dave --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-beginners] Darwin unavailable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What version of dpkg? I forgot to make dselect understand the virtual packages until a slightly later revision of dpkg. I believe this user will find that both apt-get and dpkg work fine, only dselect is broken. Peter Martin Costabel wrote: | I have no idea any more. I am forwarding this to fink-devel now. Maybe | someone there has an idea how it is possible to get | | Mike Barker wrote: | | xdvi depends on darwin (= 6-1) | darwin does not appear to be available | | | while everything seems to be available. Here is the situation: | | (Package manager version 0.16.0 and Distribution version 0.6.1) on my | Powerbook (OS 10.2.7). For almost every package I selected to install | using dselect, it would list darwin as being unavailable. I got | frustrated and put it aside until recently when I downloaded and | installed Apple's X11 (beta 3) and upgraded to Mac OS 10.2.8 hoping | that this would fix the problem. It didn't. | | | fink-virtual-pkgs says: | | Package: darwin | Status: install ok installed | Version: 6.8-1 | description: [virtual package representing the kernel] | | | On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Martin Costabel wrote: | | | On 3 févr. 2004, at 15:20, Mike Barker wrote: | | | Thanks for the reply. When I do which uname it says /usr/bin/uname. | I | guess the problem is something else...? | | | Yes, seems so. What does fink-virtual-pkgs say about darwin? It | should say something like | | Package: darwin | Status: install ok installed | Version: 7.2.0-1 | description: [virtual package representing the kernel] | | | -- | Martin | | | | | --- | The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 | Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration | See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. | http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn | ___ | Fink-devel mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel | | - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQCDzXLiDAg3OZTLPAQK3vwP/ecsNFopnlAtgQz9EwQuZN8+pk8Dj6R5n j/9mSoZtF4imGqVvvke2RSyRbFPRodJeTApeFTXg5aX0yc8K+517aKSvA9cm8fQs Wr3Q/C4ccOq7S8CZ/vCvfwXvtuqKfi9VpOtOCgmReDHdWB78wNIwuQZS/dK6FpFt L7OUA/35+Hk= =qu4M -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] Re: [Fink-beginners] Darwin unavailable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Barker wrote: |From /sw/bin/dpkg-name, there is a line that says version=1.10.9 | Sorry, 'dpkg -l dpkg' should tell you the installed version-revision, the revision is the important field in this case. I should ahve said that in my last message. But, does apt-get work for you? Or why not try 'Fink Commander', dselect is not very pretty :) Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQCEAwLiDAg3OZTLPAQI91gQApxuORwr6Zyv4d9K1VNTbmGoRaLHylGCr +7wKtkOHUzXU0bN77NL18r8Kvt/TLIWpahR0RZ69Xc4kin5VdJtPSmAl8MTU5WQF LpGsCqQOi0UJOGfT3zRqn+/uwJd550UMVv4/+EtIiv7X/vjnanJkE23tCc3khQ0J 1+0VqFopPp8= =meXN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink feature request: finicky-install
I'm really talking about two things, one of which is no problem. 1. being able to change compile time options No problem, its already possible. Everyone agrees that you better know roughly what you're doing, or the package won't work. 2. being able to dynamically find satisfy dependencies Definitely a challenge, hasn't been solved yet. If you put 1 2 together, then you have a software system that is highly customizable yet easy to use. In fact, Fink already partially does 2 -- every time it asks the user to choose between different ways of satisfying some dependency. But I'm saying (as a class project or something) - throw an Expert System into Fink that will be able to map you from compile time options to dependencies, automatically (again leaving the user the choice as to how to satisfy a dependency when there's an overlap). --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink feature request: finicky-install
Joe Corneli wrote: I'm really talking about two things, one of which is no problem. 1. being able to change compile time options No problem, its already possible. Everyone agrees that you better know roughly what you're doing, or the package won't work. 2. being able to dynamically find satisfy dependencies Definitely a challenge, hasn't been solved yet. If you put 1 2 together, then you have a software system that is highly customizable yet easy to use. In fact, Fink already partially does 2 -- every time it asks the user to choose between different ways of satisfying some dependency. But I'm saying (as a class project or something) - throw an Expert System into Fink that will be able to map you from compile time options to dependencies, automatically (again leaving the user the choice as to how to satisfy a dependency when there's an overlap). The problem is not in being able to dynamically find dependencies or change compile time options, it's being able to know whether the differences between it and a normal fink compile will work. There are a *lot* 3rd-party-compiled bits that won't work right if you just link against them, instead of the Fink versions. It can be anywhere from different configure options, to libtool bugs, to having a different environment that introduces new bugs. OpenDarwin is running into the same issues (they currently do something like you're suggesting) and they're moving to the Fink model of controlling what gets found precisely *because* there's too much entropy in assuming whatever libfoo that the user happens to have lying around will work. It's software, I'm sure it's *possible* to do what you're suggesting, but it's a maintenance nightmare. Just witness the number of problems people post to the list about just because someone has an old dlcompat on their system from OpenOffice. Just because it's possible for Fink the toolset to do it, doesn't mean it's possible for Fink the collective of maintainers to be capable of keeping up with every possible bug in every build of a particular bit of software. This is a volunteer effort; supporting such things just means we would have less packages with more bugs, in my opinion. --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] fink feature request: finicky-install
Actually I've been meaning to do up a document on this, for the benefit of users who want to muck around with their compile-time options. The day job keeps interfering, though. -- Alexander Hansen Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX On Feb 4, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Joe Corneli wrote: Fair enough. I'm happy that it is so easy to change compile time options. But I'm still interested in a more intelligent software managing system for sometime down the road. One would have to do a lot of prep work, however, it seems quite conceivable that one would be able to leverage the software to keep the amount of bug tracking work the same as it is now or lessen it. As you point out, there is a lot of repetition in the mailing list. If it was possible to include the knowledge gained by these experiments directly in the package manager, there'd be less traffic of the kind you're talking about. --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Fink-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
