Re: [Fink-devel] perl scripts

2003-08-14 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Koen == Koen van der Drift [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Koen I am working on a perlmodule package that installs a bunch of Koen perlscripts (*.pl). If they are meant as commands typed by the user, PLEASE PLEASE do not put .pl on the send of the script! This is not the Unix Way. .pl means Perl

Re: [Fink-devel] Proposal new Fink engine (Finch?)

2003-08-14 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Sunday, Jul 20, 2003, at 13:42 US/Eastern, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Well-written Perl is just as readable as any other language. Problem is (1) most people don't bother learning Perl as well as they learn other languages (since it's so easy to do things with a minimal understanding) and (2)

Re: [Fink-devel] qt3 and scribus bus error

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Costabel
Curiouser and curiouser... I came across a patch that has something to do with the subject. This patch was introduced almost a year ago into qt3-3.0.5-6 and was removed (forgotten?) in the update to qt-3.1. Here it is (from qt3-3.0.5-6.patch): --- qt-x11-free-3.0.5/src/tools/qstring.cpp

Re: [Fink-devel] compiling pwlib-1.5.0 openh323

2003-08-14 Thread Alexander Hansen
Why didn't you just use fink install pwlib? Note: The update to the December 2002 Dev Tools is counterrecommended for Fink. Check out the first news item at http://fink.sourceforge.net/ -- Alexander K. Hansen Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX On Tuesday, August 5, 2003,

Re: [Fink-devel] gettext upgrade

2003-08-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David R. Morrison wrote: The other option I thought of was to continue keeping the gettext executables in a package called gettext-bin, which would now become a splitoff of gettext2 and get a later version number. The newer versions of gettext-bin

[Fink-devel] qt3 and scribus bus error

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Costabel
After some debugging sessions and some googling of qt-related mailing list archives, I have now a clearer picture of the reason for this weird bug that lets scribus crash when the LANG environment variable is set. Before going to the scribus and qt mailing lists with this, I would like to run

[Fink-devel] Fwd: la files openldap and dbs

2003-08-14 Thread Matthias Neeracher
TheSin is having problems posting to the list, so I'm forwarding this for him. Please reply to him directly Begin forwarded message: From: TheSin [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:17:54 -0600 Subject: la files openldap and dbs libldap.la has this in it # Libraries that this one

Re: [Fink-devel] Panther effort

2003-08-14 Thread David R. Morrison
Dear Yarden, A number of us are working on getting things ready for Panther, but due to the NDA we don't discuss the details on the mailing list. However, you can find a number of Panther-ready packages in various parts of the experimental CVS tree. Of course, one of the issues is simply that,

[Fink-devel] gettext upgrade

2003-08-14 Thread David R. Morrison
Hi Max. I need your help in figuring out the correct strategy for upgrading gettext. There are two issues, which I will keep separate so as not to confuse things. As I've mentioned before, the major version number in libintl.dylib has changed in recent versions of gettext, so we need a new

Re: [Fink-devel] perl scripts

2003-08-14 Thread Koen van der Drift
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 03:08 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: If they are meant as commands typed by the user, PLEASE PLEASE do not put .pl on the send of the script! This is not the Unix Way. .pl means Perl Library. It's meant to be used with do or require within another script, not as

Re: [Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
you could be right about mysql, I use debian and webmin I don't need to use the CLi I think having a shell is more dangerous then having a pass, but it doesn't matter i removed it, I wasn't planing on using it for anything anyhow, and if need be a sudo passwd $user can be added to the end of a

[Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
I have started a new fink branch to auto add and remove users/groups. I'd like to vote on the field style for this. Type 1: User: Name: postfix Desc: Postfix User Pass: password Shell: /usr/bin/false Home: %p/var/mail Group: Name: postfix

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread David R. Morrison
What happens if two packages specify the same user? Even if this is OK, what happens if they give different info about that user? -- Dave --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce,

Re: [Fink-devel] qt3 and scribus bus error

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Costabel
Benjamin Reed wrote: That's strange, Q_OS_MAC should already be set in qglobal.h pretty muc no matter what, I can't imagine how that wouldn't be completely equivalent... Not for qt-x11. You are thinking about Qt/Mac, I suspect. In qglobal.h, I see #define QT_PLATFORM Q_OS_MACX11 #if

Re: [Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
well since I got no response other then this one I've gone with the oneline version for now, but I suppose this can be changed later (the beauty of perl mmm). I just have two shell functions to write and it seems to be done. Any willing testers? :) and all user and locked, passworded can

RE: [Fink-devel] guile-1.4-6

2003-08-14 Thread Alexander K. Hansen
Well, we need a bit more information to be able to help you; specifically, what was the error message you received? Also, I recommend that the thread be moved over to fink-beginners or fink-users. Alexander K. Hansen Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX -Original

Re: [Fink-devel] perl scripts

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
do these scripts install via a Makefile.PL? On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Koen van der Drift wrote: On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 03:08 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: If they are meant as commands typed by the user, PLEASE PLEASE do not put .pl on the send of the script! This is

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Dolan
Am I missing something? I don't understand why you have a Pass field at all. Default passwords are evil, and are an obvious route for attackers. Perhaps Pass should be a flag to indicate that Fink should prompt the user for a password? That's still rotten, IMHO, but infinitely better

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
I still haven't looked at how debian handles this problem either, and I agree that a default password in a public clear text file is a bad idea, specially if the user needs a valid shell. That is why i figure fink could build it's own pass but then there would be no way of knowing the pass

Re: [Fink-devel] perl scripts

2003-08-14 Thread Koen van der Drift
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:45 PM, TheSin wrote: do these scripts install via a Makefile.PL? Yes. - Koen. --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are

[Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
okay after much thought and lots of discussion with other developers this is a great idea and i just want the run it by. all pkgs needed users/groups will depends on sort of bundle pkgs. user-username or group-groupname these pkgs will control the users on a system, there will check to make

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread Ben Hines
Sorry, i see your other messages now, I see you took the clue stick. :) -Ben On Tuesday, August 12, 2003, at 09:56 PM, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:36 AM, TheSin wrote: I have started a new fink branch to auto add and remove users/groups. I'd like to vote on the

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 07:36 AM, TheSin wrote: I have started a new fink branch to auto add and remove users/groups. I'd like to vote on the field style for this. You are aware all fink installs need to have the same uids for the same users, yes? (because we support combining binary

Re: [Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 9:42PM, Chris Dolan wrote: On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 02:17 PM, TheSin wrote: also there will no longer be a random gen password, it will be a crypt pass or it will be blank which will mean a locked user which will be most common. Sorry to beat this point to

Re: [Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
I'm looking more for info on whether ppl want the online method of heredoc version and if ppl like the user- and group- pkgs to deal with users/groups, the password issue and such are minor point that are easily changed, right now I need to get the major part of the code done. though it

Re: [Fink-devel] new user branch

2003-08-14 Thread Martin Costabel
TheSin wrote: name:desc::shell:home Why change the default order, name:pass:desc:home:shell? This leads to unnecessary confusion. And group:pass:members. I'll second Chris; Why a password field at all? All the users Fink defines so far are non-login users that have '*' as password. -- Martin

Re: [Fink-devel] user and group handling

2003-08-14 Thread Chris Dolan
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 02:17 PM, TheSin wrote: also there will no longer be a random gen password, it will be a crypt pass or it will be blank which will mean a locked user which will be most common. Sorry to beat this point to death, but I feel quite strongly that there should never

Fwd: [Fink-devel] perl scripts

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
against I forget the list :\ Begin forwarded message: From: TheSin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 11, 2003 06:48:15 PM Canada/Mountain To: Koen van der Drift [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fink-devel] perl scripts then just use the perl policy ie: Type: perl 5.6.0 UpdatePOD: true

[Fink-devel] gcc 3.3 behavior

2003-08-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
In reading through the gcc 3.3 release notes, I saw something that might explain some of our issues with building packages on Panther (and possibly Jaguar with the xcode update). They had this note: ---(snip!)--- The method of constructing the list of directories to be searched for header

Re: [Fink-devel] Panther effort

2003-08-14 Thread TheSin
no to mention what new fink features will be offered in the panther update...you'll notice a 10.3 bootstrap in cvs that currently enables prebinding, that is one of many expected changes. On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 11:42 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: We're not yet very organized about this;