[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy [firebird-support]]

Already registered and downloaded from https://reddatabase.ru .
The version is the Open Edition v3.0.3.554 .

Running on Debian 10 and Debian Testing both 64bit, using openjdk 11.
It works fine with openjdk 8 .

Is working nice, it looks nice. Will be trying much futher .

Regards,
Pablo Sanchez

On 10/21/19 2:29 PM, 'Alexey Kovyazin (ak)' a...@ib-aid.com 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> Hello Stefan,
> 
> 
> If Firebird users want to have GUI too, we should consider the options.
> The situation now is really different than several years ago, so 
> including a free GUI to Firebird umbrella now is really a option. For 
> example, at Firebird Conference there was presentation about RedExpert - 
> GPL license, multi platform, developed by contributor of Firebird and 
> (since last week) Platinum sponsor.
> I tried its beta on Linux and Windows and it worked far better than 
> thing included into Postgresql and abandoned FlameRobin.
> 
> Of course, we should discuss all aspects before making the decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Alexey Kovyazin
> IBSurgeon
> 
> 
> 
> пн, 21 окт. 2019 г., 19:24 Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de 
>  [firebird-support] 
>  >:
> 

Re: [firebird-support] Off-Topic: Firebird future

[blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support]]

Hi Alexey...
 

 I currently use the EMS SqlManager software for all my Firebird database 
administration 

 

 I have been using their software for many years for the SQL Server, MySQL, and 
PostgreSQL databases with very few issues.
 

 However, I do have an issue with the Firebird SQL error reporting system in 
that it still does not narrow down the actual issue when an error is found 
during compilation of any Firebird SQL code (ie: stored procedures).
 

 Nonetheless, offering a complete DB Administrator for Firebird with the freely 
available downloadable product would go a long way to gaining Firebird 
increased popularity.
 

 Though I see Firebird as an excellent database engine on par with all its 
equivalent engines in the commercial and Open Source sectors, I have been 
critical in the way that the development team has remained with the Open Source 
style of marketing that was prevalent in the 1990s when Open Source was just 
beginning to emerge.  Without more modern mechanisms to interact with the 
Firebird Community and a lack of professional, subscription based support for 
companies, Firebird has remained in the backwaters of the technical 
communities, which in my view is wholly unwarranted given the excellence of 
this engine.
 

This reticence on the development team's part may be based on legitimate issues 
(ie: personal work schedules).  Nonetheless, in reality, how difficult would it 
be for example to set up a Firebird Forum on one of the freely available forum 
hosting services such as ProBoards?  Such a technology implementation is fairly 
standard now with all of the database vendors.

 

 Finally, as I have also written one or two articles on the subject that 
Firebird is not all that friendly to newcomers to this engine, even technical; 
professionals with years of experience as I had.  The way in which Firebird 
implements its SQL is rather alien when compared to the other major database 
engines.  This is not in anyway to be critical of this implementation but 
documentation should be available for professionals (and hobbyists) who would 
like to migrate their databases to Firebird and need to understand the 
differences between the SQL implementations they have become used to and the 
way Firebird does it.
 

 For example, my article at the following link will describe some of the issues 
that people new to Firebird will encounter...  
https://blackfalconsoftware.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/the-firebird-database-engine-the-frustrations-of-the-long-distance-database-application-developer/
 
https://blackfalconsoftware.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/the-firebird-database-engine-the-frustrations-of-the-long-distance-database-application-developer/

 In closing, I believe that any enhancement to the way that this database 
engine is promoted, such as a freely available and complete database 
administration tool, would go a long way to securing Firebird as mainstay 
engine in the future...
 

 Steve Naidamast
 Sr. Software Engineer
 blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com
 

 

Re: [firebird-support] Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com [firebird-support]]

That would be awesome.



> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:29 AM, 'Alexey Kovyazin (ak)' a...@ib-aid.com 
>  [firebird-support]  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Stefan,
> 
> 
> If Firebird users want to have GUI too, we should consider the options.
> The situation now is really different than several years ago, so including a 
> free GUI to Firebird umbrella now is really a option. For example, at 
> Firebird Conference there was presentation about RedExpert - GPL license, 
> multi platform, developed by contributor of Firebird and (since last week) 
> Platinum sponsor.
> I tried its beta on Linux and Windows and it worked far better than thing 
> included into Postgresql and abandoned FlameRobin.
> 
> Of course, we should discuss all aspects before making the decision. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Alexey Kovyazin 
> IBSurgeon 
> 
> 
> 
> пн, 21 окт. 2019 г., 19:24 Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de 
>  [firebird-support] 
> mailto:firebird-support@yahoogroups.com>>:
>  
> 
> > Official or not, we need a simple, up to date, Firebird only, native
> > GUI.
> 
> I don't get the point. There are GUI tools readily available
> (IBExpert, Upscene, etc.). If you want to have it for free, like in
> free beer, you can sit down, write it and publish it (that's how free
> software is made ...). The Firebird Project just doesn't have the
> resources to do it. We need the available developers for the database
> core and not for a fancy GUI tool.
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Stefan Heymann
> 
> 
> 
> 






Thanks,
Kevin


~~~
Kevin Stanton
Software Architect
P: 541-550-5966 | F: 503-822-0178
www.RDB-Solutions.com 

 






 



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Re: [firebird-support] Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Gabor Boros mlngl...@bgss.hu [firebird-support]]

2019. 10. 21. 18:17 keltezéssel, Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de 
[firebird-support] írta:
> If you want to have it for free, like in
> free beer, you can sit down, write it and publish it


This is the plan. ;-)

Gabor






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Re: [firebird-support] Off-Topic: Firebird future

['Alexey Kovyazin (ak)' a...@ib-aid.com [firebird-support]]

Hello Stefan,


If Firebird users want to have GUI too, we should consider the options.
The situation now is really different than several years ago, so including
a free GUI to Firebird umbrella now is really a option. For example, at
Firebird Conference there was presentation about RedExpert - GPL license,
multi platform, developed by contributor of Firebird and (since last week)
Platinum sponsor.
I tried its beta on Linux and Windows and it worked far better than thing
included into Postgresql and abandoned FlameRobin.

Of course, we should discuss all aspects before making the decision.

Regards,
Alexey Kovyazin
IBSurgeon



пн, 21 окт. 2019 г., 19:24 Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de
[firebird-support] :

>
>
>
> > Official or not, we need a simple, up to date, Firebird only, native
> > GUI.
>
> I don't get the point. There are GUI tools readily available
> (IBExpert, Upscene, etc.). If you want to have it for free, like in
> free beer, you can sit down, write it and publish it (that's how free
> software is made ...). The Firebird Project just doesn't have the
> resources to do it. We need the available developers for the database
> core and not for a fancy GUI tool.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Stefan Heymann
>
> 
>

Re: [firebird-support] Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de [firebird-support]]

> Official or not, we need a simple, up to date, Firebird only, native
> GUI.

I don't get the point. There are GUI tools readily available
(IBExpert, Upscene, etc.). If you want to have it for free, like in
free beer, you can sit down, write it and publish it (that's how free
software is made ...). The Firebird Project just doesn't have the
resources to do it. We need the available developers for the database
core and not for a fancy GUI tool.

Best Regards

Stefan Heymann

Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Lester Caine les...@lsces.uk [firebird-support]]

On 21/10/2019 16:05, Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> Oregon Delphi Users Groups has the same issue.  Looks like that group is 
> moving tohttp://groups.io

Virtually all of the email lists I have used since eGroup days are 
affected by this farce. It would seem that the email messaging side will 
simply be maintained so we can just carry on using it, but the one thing 
*I* don't fancy is having several solutions to the problem depending on 
just what each list decides. Various previous attempts to switch one or 
other list to on alternative has failed since the alternative simply 
never worked but there is nothing that provides the flexibility and I 
switched off groups.io previously and blocked it because of problems 
caused by previous 'upgrade' attempts, so until yahoo actually kills the 
email service I'll probably just stay and eventually not bother 
monitoring any of the 30 odd lists ...

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Re: [firebird-support] Will we move when yahoo Groups close theirs doors?

[Kevin Stanton kevin.stan...@rdb-solutions.com [firebird-support]]

Oregon Delphi Users Groups has the same issue.  Looks like that group is moving 
to http://groups.io 



> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:01 AM, Mark Rotteveel m...@lawinegevaar.nl 
>  [firebird-support] 
> mailto:firebird-support@yahoogroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> On 18-10-2019 13:45, emb_blas...@hotmail.com  
> [firebird-support] wrote:
> > Recently I learned that Yahoo! will close Groups.
> 
> It looks like they are going to close the site, but the mailing list 
> feature is expected to remain online (as far as I can tell from the 
> announcement, which to be honest isn't very clear).
> 
> > We will lose all the content?
> 
> If the site closes, yes. However, I have created a backup of the 
> messages from firebird-support, firebird-php, firebird-python, 
> firebird-java, ibobjects and ib-conversions, and I'm currently looking 
> at generating a basic accessible archive.
> 
> I don't have backups for firebird-general, firebird-coredocs and 
> firebird-architect, as those seem to be closed groups, and the tool I 
> wrote for the other groups isn't working. I probably need to add some 
> authentication, but I haven't tried that yet.
> 
> Mark
> -- 
> Mark Rotteveel
> 
> 






Thanks,
Kevin


~~~
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