Re: [firebird-support] Character sets. (Again.)
On 31/03/2015 20:00, Ann Harrison aharri...@ibphoenix.com [firebird-support] wrote: On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:01 AM, Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support] firebird-support@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sorry about this, but I really can't work out what's going on here, and could do with some clues. Not so much a clue as a question. If you declare the columns as varchar, do you see the same behavior? Yes. With those two particular columns. But a third (VARCHAR) column in the same table produces the expected (correct length) result. -- Tim Ward
Re: [firebird-support] Character sets. (Again.)
On 31/03/2015 20:24, Mark Rotteveel m...@lawinegevaar.nl [firebird-support] wrote: The problem is mainly that when the connection character set is UTF8, and the field character set is anything other than NONE or OCTETS, the server will return the field as UTF8. The length of a field in UTF8 is 4 * the declared length (which is the maximum number of bytes required). It is up to the client (isql, or a driver like the ibase PHP driver, Jaybird, etc), to correctly interpret a field of length 32 bytes in utf8 to a string of 8 characters; unfortunately not all clients/drivers do this, so they will act as if it is string of 32 characters. Mark So my temporary fudge to trim() the result is actually the best that can be done, and it's a good thing I'm not expecting the presence or absence of trailing spaces in VARCHAR fields to be significant, it looks like. -- Tim Ward ++ Visit http://www.firebirdsql.org and click the Documentation item on the main (top) menu. Try FAQ and other links from the left-side menu there. Also search the knowledgebases at http://www.ibphoenix.com/resources/documents/ ++ Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: firebird-support-dig...@yahoogroups.com firebird-support-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: firebird-support-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
Re: [firebird-support] Character sets. (Again.)
On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:01 AM, Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support] firebird-support@yahoogroups.com wrote: Sorry about this, but I really can't work out what's going on here, and could do with some clues. Not so much a clue as a question. If you declare the columns as varchar, do you see the same behavior? Passing a fixed length string with variable sized characters is tricky. Do you hand the client enough buffer to handle the declare number of characters regardless their oddity, or do you pass enough to hold the string that currently exists? The basic problem is that I'm getting string values of columns into PHP padded on the right to four times their correct length. I've tried various combinations of things and got various weird results. Here's one example: (1) I believe the database default character set is UTF8 (although I don't know in detail what that means or what it's used for) SQL select rdb$character_set_name from rdb$database; RDB$CHARACTER_SET_NAME UTF8 (2) I've got a column in a table defined as ASCII (not that that makes an awful lot of difference, I get very similar results if it's UTF8): METERID CHAR( 8) CHARACTER SET ASCII COLLATE ASCII, (3) I connect ISQL without a -ch command line parameter and get the field arriving in ISQL as eight characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (4) I connect ISQL with -ch UTF8 and get the field arriving in ISQL as 32 characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (5) I connect via PHP using ibase_connect with UTF8 as the character set parameter and get this eight character field returned as the eight wanted characters padded on the right with 24 spaces. (6) If I change the definition of the METERID column to UTF8 I similarly get 32 characters in PHP. So what should I be doing to get an eight character value of an eight character field turning up as eight characters in PHP? (I don't think I have the option of setting the connection charset to anything other than UTF8 because I don't know what else it might affect and there are plenty of other columns in the database which, unlike this one, can't be declared as ASCII ... but then I don't know exactly what the concept of connection character set means or does anyway.) I have read http://www.firebirdsql.org/file/community/ppts/fbcon11/FbCon2011-Charsets-Heymann.pdf, but that doesn't help - it suggests that Firebird will transliterate as necessary, but padding an eight character string with 24 spaces to make a 32 character string isn't any sort of transliteration I'm familiar with. If you're storing the data as UTF8 and asking for UTF8, then I guess you get a buffer big enough to hold the maximum sized eight character string. Good luck, Ann
Re: [firebird-support] Character sets. (Again.)
On 30-3-2015 13:01, Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support] wrote: Sorry about this, but I really can't work out what's going on here, and could do with some clues. The basic problem is that I'm getting string values of columns into PHP padded on the right to four times their correct length. I've tried various combinations of things and got various weird results. Here's one example: (1) I believe the database default character set is UTF8 (although I don't know in detail what that means or what it's used for) SQL select rdb$character_set_name from rdb$database; RDB$CHARACTER_SET_NAME UTF8 (2) I've got a column in a table defined as ASCII (not that that makes an awful lot of difference, I get very similar results if it's UTF8): METERID CHAR( 8) CHARACTER SET ASCII COLLATE ASCII, (3) I connect ISQL without a -ch command line parameter and get the field arriving in ISQL as eight characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (4) I connect ISQL with -ch UTF8 and get the field arriving in ISQL as 32 characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (5) I connect via PHP using ibase_connect with UTF8 as the character set parameter and get this eight character field returned as the eight wanted characters padded on the right with 24 spaces. (6) If I change the definition of the METERID column to UTF8 I similarly get 32 characters in PHP. So what should I be doing to get an eight character value of an eight character field turning up as eight characters in PHP? (I don't think I have the option of setting the connection charset to anything other than UTF8 because I don't know what else it might affect and there are plenty of other columns in the database which, unlike this one, can't be declared as ASCII ... but then I don't know exactly what the concept of connection character set means or does anyway.) I have read http://www.firebirdsql.org/file/community/ppts/fbcon11/FbCon2011-Charsets-Heymann.pdf, but that doesn't help - it suggests that Firebird will transliterate as necessary, but padding an eight character string with 24 spaces to make a 32 character string isn't any sort of transliteration I'm familiar with. The problem is mainly that when the connection character set is UTF8, and the field character set is anything other than NONE or OCTETS, the server will return the field as UTF8. The length of a field in UTF8 is 4 * the declared length (which is the maximum number of bytes required). It is up to the client (isql, or a driver like the ibase PHP driver, Jaybird, etc), to correctly interpret a field of length 32 bytes in utf8 to a string of 8 characters; unfortunately not all clients/drivers do this, so they will act as if it is string of 32 characters. Mark -- Mark Rotteveel ++ Visit http://www.firebirdsql.org and click the Documentation item on the main (top) menu. Try FAQ and other links from the left-side menu there. Also search the knowledgebases at http://www.ibphoenix.com/resources/documents/ ++ Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: firebird-support-dig...@yahoogroups.com firebird-support-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: firebird-support-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
[firebird-support] Character sets. (Again.)
Sorry about this, but I really can't work out what's going on here, and could do with some clues. The basic problem is that I'm getting string values of columns into PHP padded on the right to four times their correct length. I've tried various combinations of things and got various weird results. Here's one example: (1) I believe the database default character set is UTF8 (although I don't know in detail what that means or what it's used for) SQL select rdb$character_set_name from rdb$database; RDB$CHARACTER_SET_NAME UTF8 (2) I've got a column in a table defined as ASCII (not that that makes an awful lot of difference, I get very similar results if it's UTF8): METERID CHAR( 8) CHARACTER SET ASCII COLLATE ASCII, (3) I connect ISQL without a -ch command line parameter and get the field arriving in ISQL as eight characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (4) I connect ISQL with -ch UTF8 and get the field arriving in ISQL as 32 characters long: SQL select meterid from tblmeterchange; METERID 0001A6BN 0001A6BN (5) I connect via PHP using ibase_connect with UTF8 as the character set parameter and get this eight character field returned as the eight wanted characters padded on the right with 24 spaces. (6) If I change the definition of the METERID column to UTF8 I similarly get 32 characters in PHP. So what should I be doing to get an eight character value of an eight character field turning up as eight characters in PHP? (I don't think I have the option of setting the connection charset to anything other than UTF8 because I don't know what else it might affect and there are plenty of other columns in the database which, unlike this one, can't be declared as ASCII ... but then I don't know exactly what the concept of connection character set means or does anyway.) I have read http://www.firebirdsql.org/file/community/ppts/fbcon11/FbCon2011-Charsets-Heymann.pdf, but that doesn't help - it suggests that Firebird will transliterate as necessary, but padding an eight character string with 24 spaces to make a 32 character string isn't any sort of transliteration I'm familiar with. -- Tim Ward ++ Visit http://www.firebirdsql.org and click the Documentation item on the main (top) menu. Try FAQ and other links from the left-side menu there. Also search the knowledgebases at http://www.ibphoenix.com/resources/documents/ ++ Yahoo Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/firebird-support/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: firebird-support-dig...@yahoogroups.com firebird-support-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: firebird-support-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/
