Re: [Fis] Information states

2009-11-14 Thread John Collier
At 02:12 PM 2009/11/10, Pedro C. Marijuan wrote: Dear FIS colleagues, The comments, days ago, by John H on information states were intriguing. In my view, the differences he addresses between physical states and informational states could be compacted as the primacy of the intrinsic regarding

Re: [Fis] Information states

2009-11-14 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Colleagues, John's opening of a new topic gives the chance of commenting both on his and on my Assymetry of Information, since both talk about symmetry and symmetry-breaking. John asks how one can make a principled coupling between intrinsic and extrinsic informational entities. I will

Re: [Fis] Information states

2009-11-14 Thread ssalthe
While not suggesting a discussion on this, I note that John says -- information and the interpretation of information are different from each other I think this is not as clear cut as that. Beginning all the way back to von Uexkull's Theoretical Biology, the constructivist perspective takes

[Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread David Weiss
The inventor of the concept of Information as Asymmetry is Michael Leyton in his enormous book 640 pages Symmetry,Causality, Mind (MIT Press, 1992). Furthermore: Leyton invented the concept of the causal basis of information. In addition, Leyton's book A Generative Theory of Shape in Springer

Re: [Fis] Information states

2009-11-14 Thread John Collier
At 05:33 PM 2009/11/14, you wrote: While not suggesting a discussion on this, I note that John says -- information and the interpretation of information are different from each other I think this is not as clear cut as that. Beginning all the way back to von Uexkull's Theoretical Biology, the

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread John Collier
Thanks. I still maintain my student carried this idea much further then anyone before. As I said before, priority in such issues issues is very hard to establish. I think that Michael Scriven was well ahead on these ideas. He is now known as Tal Scriven. His ideas date much earlier than 1992, to

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread Dr. Shu-Kun Lin
Dear John, Dear All, It seems clear that Michael Leyton has the greatest credit to be the inventor of the concept of information as asymmetry. During my reading and writing about Gibbs paradox, I saw the definition of entropy as symmetry (or information as asymmetry) is a good one. However,