Re: [Fis] FW: The Information Flow

2012-11-19 Thread John Collier
Dear folks, Overall, I agree with Gordana. I have one, perhaps very large, correction though. I will go through this bit by bit (no pun intended). I have been planning to jump into this discussion, but a visit here (UFBA) by Stewart Newman has kept me busy. He gave lots of examples of

Re: [Fis] FW: The Information Flow

2012-11-19 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Quoting John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za: As I have tried to argue above, to avoid reductionism in reality as opposed to in logic and mathematics I think we need the additional condition of dissipation (what I call nonHamiltonian mechanics elsewhere -- the usual condition of conservation