Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread Xueshan Yan
Dear Pedro, Dear Joseph, About the Milton Keynes Conference, i.e., about DTMD definition, we saw this quote long long ago, but there two different sayings: One is Information is a distinction that makes a difference from Donald M. MacKay in his Information, Mechanism and Meaning (1969), and

[Fis] FW: fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread John Collier
I am afraid that it was my fault. I thought I recalled a quote, but actually it is an interpretation of Mackay. Sorry about that. Amazing that it spread so much, but that probably reflects that it is endemic in Mackay's work. John -Original Message- From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es

Re: [Fis] FW: fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread Bill Seaman
Dear All, I visited the von Foerster / Pask Cybernetics Archive in Vienna (which includes many MacKay texts) and went into depth related to MacKay in the spring of last year. It is very interesting to read his ideas about information as compared to the Shannon and Weaver's

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Dr. Yan I make reference to the MacKay quote in my article that can be found here: www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/3/1/68/pdf I make reference to Hayles, K. How We Became Posthuman; University of Chicago Press: Chicago, IL, USA, 1999. where you will find an extensive discussion of Donald

Re: [Fis] fis Digest, Vol 570, Issue 2

2013-04-14 Thread Julio Stern
Dear All: I have to agree with Xueshan Yan on that one: In G.Batesson (1979) Mind and Nature: A Necessary Unity NY: Dutton. We find at the Glassary p. 228: Information: Any difference taht makes a difference. see also Ch.3, Multiple Versions of the World, Sec.1, The Case of Difference. All

Re: [Fis] FIS News (Moscow 2013)

2013-04-14 Thread Julio Stern
A find it very strange to transform the FIS Conference into a private party. Of course anyone can throw a party, but how come is this one now the FIS-2013 Conference ?! ---Julio Stern At the time being, to my knowledge (I could not follow very well the process), only the members of the