Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread John Collier
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Loet Leydesdorff Sent: July 26, 2015 8:50 AM To: 'Joseph Brenner'; 'Fernando Flores'; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Dear Joe, a) information is more than order; there is information

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear John and colleagues, So fundamentally we are talking about the same basic thing with information and entropy. The problem is fundamentally: the two are the same except for a constant. Most authors attribute the dimensionality to this constant (kB). From the perspective of

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread John Collier
Of Loet Leydesdorff Sent: July 27, 2015 7:10 PM To: John Collier; 'Joseph Brenner'; 'Fernando Flores'; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: RE: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Dear John and colleagues, So fundamentally we are talking about the same basic thing with information and entropy

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Folks I know there is a long legacy of equating information with entropy, and dimensionally, they are the same. Qualitatively, however, they are antithetical. From the point of view of statistical mechanics, information is a *decrease* in entropy, i.e., they are negatives of each other. This all

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
for you for continuing the debate? Thank you again, Joseph - Original Message - From: Fernando Flores mailto:fernando.flo...@kultur.lu.se To: fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Hello everybody

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-25 Thread Joseph Brenner
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:58 PM Subject: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Hello everybody: I will answer to the comments made by Joseph and Luis will answer to the comments made by Moisés. Dear Joseph: Thank you for your comments. We are not sure about

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-23 Thread Gyorgy Darvas
In maintenance of the position by Joseph: I accept all approaches. We must study any phenomenon from different aspects. This does not mean that all actors should study all of the possible aspects, but accept them. According to me, Joe is right. Ontological aspects are as much important as

[Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-23 Thread Fernando Flores
Hello everybody: I will answer to the comments made by Joseph and Luis will answer to the comments made by Moisés. Dear Joseph: Thank you for your comments. We are not sure about the usefulness of identifying “information” (order) with “mater”. In this sense we are very carefully to avoid