Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
(Information Theory) Regards Gavin From: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch joe.bren...@bluewin.ch To: karl.javors...@gmail.com; Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es; fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Sat, 22 January, 2011 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Karl

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
:58:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Limits of Glue Joe:...that existence and energy are primitive and numbers something derived. Yes of course. We know that Nature exists and has manifold properties. (Thomas Aquinas). We speak about our experiences with Nature. To make certain that we

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
://www.leydesdorff.net/ http://www.leydesdorff.net/ From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Gavin Ritz Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:42 PM To: Stanley N Salthe Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Hi there Stan SS: Info

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
24, 2011 12:42 PM To: Stanley N Salthe Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Hi there Stan SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread John Collier
At 01:41 PM 1/24/2011, Gavin Ritz wrote: Hi there Stan SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down a pipe. Sorry, but it has already been done by people like

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Stan SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down a pipe. Sorry, but it has already been done by people like Wheeler, Gell-Mann and Hawking.

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread John Collier
At 02:05 PM 1/24/2011, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00C9_01CBBBC7.684CC9E0 Content-Language: en-us Dear colleagues, It seems to me that the relation between information and energy provides the special case that the entropy is

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
From: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch joe.bren...@bluewin.ch To: karl.javors...@gmail.com; Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es; fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Sat, 22 January, 2011 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Karl, The assumption I would

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-23 Thread Gavin Ritz
...@aragon.es; fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Sat, 22 January, 2011 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Karl, The assumption I would like to check that we share is that existence and energy are primitive and numbers something derived. When one moves from the quantum vacuum

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-23 Thread karl javorszky
...@gmail.com; Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es; fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Sat, 22 January, 2011 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Karl, The assumption I would like to check that we share is that existence and energy are primitive and numbers something derived. When one

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-23 Thread Stanley N Salthe
-- *From:* joe.bren...@bluewin.ch joe.bren...@bluewin.ch *To:* karl.javors...@gmail.com; Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es; fis@listas.unizar.es *Sent:* Sat, 22 January, 2011 7:32:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Info Theory Dear Karl, The assumption I

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-21 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Dear Karl, The assumption I would like to check that we share is that existence and energy are primitive and numbers something derived. When one moves from the quantum vacuum or singularity into the thermodynamic world, as soon as change occurs, something is no longer totally