Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-30 Thread Marcos Ortega Luis de
@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos Dear colleagues, I read your paper with interest. Since my interest is “information”, I focused on this concept. 1. If I correctly understand, you define information as the 2-log of the number of options. I

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-29 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, I read your paper with interest. Since my interest is “information”, I focused on this concept. 1. If I correctly understand, you define information as the 2-log of the number of options. I would be inclined to call this the maximum information content of an act,

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Drs Flores and de-Marcos I very much enjoyed reading this paper: there is a lot to reflect on and I need to spend more time with it, but I have some immediate questions which I hope you can address. 1. The first concerns the concept of the ‘foundations’ in your title. Having

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-27 Thread John Collier
4:13 AM To: 'Marcos Ortega Luis de'; 'fis' Subject: Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos At 4:13 AM 07/27/2015, Luis de Marcos Ortega wrote: a) cycles can imply infinite loops that in our opinion are not appropriate to model human actions b) even considering cycles

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-26 Thread Marcos Ortega Luis de
: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 17:02 To: FIS Science fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos List: This comment is restricted to the proposed use of mathematical structures in context of the social. The mathematical structure of a tree

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-26 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
to the wise and disguises from the foolish their lack of understanding. Ambrose G. Bierce. From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Jerry LR Chandler Sent: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 17:02 To: FIS Science fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Information Foundation

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-26 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
At 4:13 AM 07/27/2015, Luis de Marcos Ortega wrote: a) cycles can imply infinite loops that in our opinion are not appropriate to model human actions b) even considering cycles a set of actions can still be modeled a as a tree, so we consider that loops add unnecessary complexity to the model

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Hola Fernando Luis, Many thanks for your contribution, quite interesting to read. I really second the previous comments from Joseph, Gyuri and Jerry. I also see a few other points: --The relationship between entropy and culture taken as order is rather risky. I think there is a

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-23 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: This comment is restricted to the proposed use of mathematical structures in context of the social. The mathematical structure of a tree is restricted by the notion of a cycle. A tree is readily converted into a cycle by simply adding a new edge between leaves or joints. The simple

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-23 Thread Marcos Ortega Luis de
Dear Moisés, Thank you for your comments. We thought about it but unfortunately we didn't go any further because a characterization is far beyond our mathematical background. In terms of analogies we would have to define a symmetry and a conservation. We may think of a symmetry of time. If we

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-23 Thread Joseph Brenner
, Xi'An, China - Original Message - From: Pedro C. Marijuan To: 'fis' Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 2:33 PM Subject: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos The informational foundation of the act Fernando Flores Lund University fernando.flo

Re: [Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-22 Thread Moisés André Nisenbaum
Dear Fernando and Luis. Thank you for the excellent article with innovative and consistent ideas. I am specifically interested in its interfaces with physics. When you talked about Conservation of Information (page 28) did you ever though about some analogies with symmetries (i.e. Noether’s

[Fis] Information Foundation of the Act--F.Flores L.deMarcos

2015-07-22 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
* The informational foundation of the act* *Fernando Flores* Lund University fernando.flo...@kultur.lu.se *Luis de-Marcos* University of Alcalá luis.demar...@uah.es /See the whole text at: http://fis.sciforum.net/resources// Our introducing paper (35 pages) presents a theory that quantifies