Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-17 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
[mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:48 PM To: Loet Leydesdorff Cc: 'Pedro C. Marijuan'; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear Loet, dear Pedro, On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:28, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: Dear Pedro, You are right

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-17 Thread Robin Faichney
Hi Bruno, This is very interesting for me, my approach to information is via the mind-body and hard problems, and I'm sympathetic to computationalism. On the other hand, I have difficulties understanding much of what you say here. Let me focus on one point for now though. Tuesday, April 17,

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-17 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
It seems to me that, if I believe I am duplicable, and understand the protocol, I must predict that I will experience being in both Moscow and Washington. The process bifurcates one person, who becomes two people with absolutely identical physique and memories immediately afterwards, which will

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Apr 2012, at 11:44, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: It seems to me that, if I believe I am duplicable, and understand the protocol, I must predict that I will experience being in both Moscow and Washington. The process bifurcates one person, who becomes two people with absolutely

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-17 Thread Robin Faichney
Hi again Bruno, Heeding Pedro's kind reminder, this is my second and therefore last message to the list this week. However, I'll be happy to continue the discussion off-list (and to copy in any others who signal their interest). Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:57:41 AM, Bruno wrote: The guy know

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44 An: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear John and colleagues, Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best wishes for your complete

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-16 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
://www.mrtc.mdh.se/~gdc/ https://sites.google.com/site/naturalcomputingaisbiacap2012 From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan Sent: den 16 april 2012 17:54 To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear Joseph and FIS

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-16 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Pedro C. Marijuan *Sent:* den 16 april 2012 17:54 *To:* fis@listas.unizar.es *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Physics of computing ** ** Dear Joseph and FIS collegues, The only item I can remember formally addressing the topic is La logique du vivant

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-12 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
. than any logic of which I am aware. I would be glad to learn of other candidates for this role. Thank you and best wishes, Joseph Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44 An: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-12 Thread Bill Seaman
, Joseph Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44 An: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear John and colleagues, Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best wishes for your

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear John and colleagues, Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best wishes for your complete recovery! About physical information I think that Landauer clarified the panorama, at least concerning the relationship between information theory and thermodynamics.

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-11 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:44 AM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear John and colleagues, Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best wishes for your

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear John and colleagues, Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best wishes for your complete recovery! About physical information I think that Landauer clarified the panorama, at least concerning the relationship

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-04-10 Thread John Collier
Hi Gavin and others. Try Information in biological systems ( http://web.ncf.ca/collier/papers/Information%20in%20Biological%20Systems.pdf ) (Handbook of Philosophy of Science, vol 8, Philosophy of Information (

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
@listas.unizar.es mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear discussants, I tend to disagree with the motto information is physical if taken too strictly. Obviously if we look downwards it is OK, but in the upward direction it is different. Info is not only

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-17 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Gavin et.FIS, Information processing is omnipresent in biology. Alan Turing's reaction-diffusion model of morphogenesis is certainly well-known. Here are a few more examples implying information processing within biological systems: 1. Vrancisco Varela's self-reference calculus:

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
@listas.unizar.es mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear discussants, I tend to disagree with the motto information is physical if taken too strictly. Obviously if we look downwards it is OK, but in the upward direction it is different. Info is not only physical

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-16 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear discussants, I tend to disagree with the motto information is physical if taken too strictly. Obviously if we look downwards it is OK, but in the upward direction it is different. Info is not only physical then, and the dimension of self-construction along the realization of life cycle

Re: [Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-16 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Science Information Science fis@listas.unizar.esmailto:fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing Dear discussants, I tend to disagree with the motto information is physical if taken too strictly. Obviously if we look downwards it is OK, but in the upward direction it is different

[Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin Clark
Dear FISers:   Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of physics, information, and biology. Although I believe in a strong relationship between information and physics in biology, there are striking examples where direct correspondences between information,

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi FISers Can anyone show me a calculus for Information relating to biological systems? And if so show me the relationship with conceptual mathematics? Regards Gavin Dear FISers:   Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of physics, information, and biology.

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
/naturalcomputingaisbiacap2012 From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Kevin Clark Sent: den 16 mars 2012 21:56 To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: [Fis] Physics of Computing Dear FISers: Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of physics

[Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread Kevin Clark
Thank you Gordana for your reply. But I'm not sure whether not you misunderstood my comments about a direct correspondence between information and physics in biology. So, I thought I should stress my point from a slightly different approach. Khrennikov and colleagues, for instance, often refer

Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-16 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
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[Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-15 Thread walter . riofrio
Thanks John and Kevin to update issues in information, computation, energy and reality. I would like point out to other articles more focused in how coherence and entanglement are used by living systems (far from thermal equilibrium): Engel G.S., Calhoun T.R., Read E.L., Ahn T.K., Mancal T.,

[Fis] Physics of computing

2012-03-14 Thread John Collier
Dear folks, This is a further article demonstrating that information is physical. It is nice to be getting some empirical results. http://www.nature.com/news/the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed-1.10186?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20120313 The previous article, which I mentioned on this list, is

[Fis] Physics of Computing

2012-03-14 Thread Kevin Clark
Thank you John for your update (FIS Digest 559, Issue 4) on the cost of computation. It's good to see experimental verification of Landauer's Principle. For those FISers interested in related topics on Landauer's Principle, you might also read: 1) Clark, K.B. (2010). Bose-Einstein condensates