Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-21 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
I just wanted to say in support of Pedro's message that Gregory Bateson was very clear about the one-eyed nature of physics. He wrote as how physics, by and large, deals only with what *is* and neglects what is missing. Bateson could find only two exceptions -- The Pauli Exclusion Principle

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-15 Thread Gyorgy Darvas
Dear FISers: A short notice to add to Shu-Kun's info: The journal Symmetry: Culture and Science http://symmetry.hu/aus_journal_content_abs.html covers the topics asymmetry too (or mainly?) and published two entropy related special issues recently: Volume 16, Number 1, pages 1-112 (2005)

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-15 Thread John Collier
At 11:53 PM 2009/11/15, James Rose wrote: May I make some comments for clarification of the notion that (differential) information is equatable (Identical?) with asymmetry,? Bateson did indeed bring in the distilled meme that information is the difference that makes a difference. Asymmetry

[Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread David Weiss
The inventor of the concept of Information as Asymmetry is Michael Leyton in his enormous book 640 pages Symmetry,Causality, Mind (MIT Press, 1992). Furthermore: Leyton invented the concept of the causal basis of information. In addition, Leyton's book A Generative Theory of Shape in Springer

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread John Collier
Thanks. I still maintain my student carried this idea much further then anyone before. As I said before, priority in such issues issues is very hard to establish. I think that Michael Scriven was well ahead on these ideas. He is now known as Tal Scriven. His ideas date much earlier than 1992, to

Re: [Fis] The Inventor of Information as Asymmetry

2009-11-14 Thread Dr. Shu-Kun Lin
Dear John, Dear All, It seems clear that Michael Leyton has the greatest credit to be the inventor of the concept of information as asymmetry. During my reading and writing about Gibbs paradox, I saw the definition of entropy as symmetry (or information as asymmetry) is a good one. However,