Re: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity

2007-03-01 Thread karl javorszky
Dear Colleagues, the discussion about complexity leads us back to our basic assumptions. The core point appears to be, how we perceive a): the world, and b): what we think about the world, and c): how a) and b) fit together. This can be formalised into a) how we feel, b) how we think, c) how

Re: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity

2007-03-01 Thread Igor Matutinovic
Guy wrote: I agree with Loet and Pedro that it seems important to distinguish between environmental constraints (including material constraints emanating from the qualities of components of a system) and self-imposed limitations associated with the particular path taken as a dynamical system

RE: [Fis] Continuing Discussion of Social and Cultural Complexity

2007-03-01 Thread Stanley N. Salthe
Guy -- Yes, you are right. But I was reacting to Pedro's The realm of economy is almost pure information. Some aspects of an economy must be seen to be dynamics, not just all of it pure constraints (here I reference Pattee's 'dynamics / constraints' dichotomy). It is during the dynamics that