Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Bob, With all respect, I never understood the definition of information in this paper (on p. 28) as “first natural selection assembling the very constraints on the release of energy that then constitutes work and the propagation of organization.” 1. I tend to think of information a

Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread John Collier
Shannon declared in his original book that constraints are information. I don’t get the distinction you are trying to make. Also, Shannon information applies to continuous systems. If they have a form (are constrained), then they have finite information. Infinite information applies only if ther

Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread John Collier
Arturo, List: This is a view that was fairly common, especially associated with Edwin Jaynes, but the other view has also been put forward by people like Brillouin and, more recently, John Wheeler, Murray Gell-Mann and Seth Lloyd, for example. Cosmologist David Layzer is another example. Intere

Re: [Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread Bob Logan
Bravo Arturo - I totally agree - in a paper I co-authored with Stuart Kauffman and others we talked abut the relativity of information and the fact that information is not an absolute. Here is the abstract of the paper and an excerpt from the paper that discusses the relativity of information.

[Fis] Brenner and Lupasco logic. Emergent Simplicity

2016-12-11 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Arturo, Thank you for your encouraging comment. Please see responses in blue. You wrote: “as every kind of logic (…including maths, to be honest…) is based on axioms that stand just for who believe they are true. I give you an example, by examining Luparsco’s postulates. http://ap

[Fis] A provocative issue

2016-12-11 Thread tozziart...@libero.it
Dear FISers, I know that some of you are going to kill me, but there’s something that I must confess. I notice, from the nice issued raised by Francesco Rizzo, Joseph Brenner, John Collier, that the main concerns are always energetic/informational arguments and accounts. Indeed, the curre