Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-27 Thread Sungchul Ji
s or corrections would be welcome. Sung From: Terrence W. DEACON Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:30 PM To: Sungchul Ji Cc: KrassimirMarkov; foundationofinformationscience; 钟义信 Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Against "meaning" I th

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2017-10-15 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Mark > -- > From: Loet Leydesdorff > Sent: ‎15/‎10/‎2017 07:17 > To: Mark Johnson ; Terrence W. DEACON > ; Sungchul Ji > Cc: foundationofinformationscience > Subject: Re[2]: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information > > Dear Mark: > > Do we want t

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2017-10-15 Thread Mark Johnson
hes, Mark -Original Message- From: "Loet Leydesdorff" Sent: ‎15/‎10/‎2017 07:17 To: "Mark Johnson" ; "Terrence W. DEACON" ; "Sungchul Ji" Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" Subject: Re[2]: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Dear Mark:

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2017-10-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
--- From: Loet Leydesdorff <mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net> Sent: ‎14/‎10/‎2017 16:06 To: Terrence W. DEACON <mailto:dea...@berkeley.edu>; Sungchul Ji <mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> Cc: foundationofinformationscience <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es> Subject: Re:

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2017-10-14 Thread Mark Johnson
in science may be an epiphenomenon of something deeper. Best wishes, Mark -Original Message- From: "Loet Leydesdorff" Sent: ‎14/‎10/‎2017 16:06 To: "Terrence W. DEACON" ; "Sungchul Ji" Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" Subject: Re: [Fis] Data

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2017-10-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Terry and colleagues, "Language is rather the special case, the most unusual communicative adaptation to ever have evolved, and one that grows out of and depends on informationa/semiotic capacities shared with other species and with biology in general." Let me try to argue in favor of "me

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2017-10-13 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Mark, Thank you for your interest in my FIS paper! I didn't intend by it to infer that Shannon-class measures were the ultimate tool for information science, only to argue against prematurely rejecting that thrust entirely -- as so many do.

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2017-10-09 Thread Mark Johnson
-- From: "Robert E. Ulanowicz" Sent: ‎09/‎10/‎2017 15:20 To: "Mark Johnson" Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information > A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When we look at a hand, do we see

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2017-10-09 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> A perspectival shift can help of the kind that Gregory Bateson once talked > about. When we look at a hand, do we see five fingers or four spaces? > Discourses are a bit like fingers, aren't they? Mark, The absence of the absent was a major theme of Bateson's, and he criticized physics for vir

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2017-10-09 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Krassimir, thank you for undertaking this project of an "Anthology of Contemporary Ideas on Information". Let me take up your kind encouragement (not published in fis) and offer the following contribution (through fis, in order to be able to request the colleagues to offer their comments: th

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2017-10-08 Thread Mark Johnson
--- From: Terrence W. DEACON Sent: ‎09/ -Original Message- From: "Terrence W. DEACON" Sent: ‎09/‎10/‎2017 01:31 To: "Sungchul Ji" Cc: "foundationofinformationscience" Subject: Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information Against "meaning" I think tha

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2017-10-08 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Against "meaning" I think that there is a danger of allowing our anthropocentrism to bias the discussion. I worry that the term 'meaning' carries too much of a linguistic bias. By this I mean that it is too attractive to use language as our archtypical model when we talk about information. Languag

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2017-10-08 Thread Sungchul Ji
27;A leads to B', ' A is presupposed by B', 'B is supervened on A' (http://www.iep.utm.edu/superven), etc. With all the best. Sung From: Fis on behalf of 钟义信 Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:07:53 AM To: KrassimirMarkov; foundationofinformatio

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2017-10-08 Thread 钟义信
Dear Krassiir,The formulars you proposed in your summary is good. May I mention that the following formulas will be more precise:Object Info = External info = Syntactic info = DataPerceived info = Internal info = Syntactic info + Semantic info + Pragmatic infoIn other words, data is also a kind of

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2017-10-07 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear Krassimir, Thanks for the excellent summary of the diverse opinions. Please add to my citation the following sentence : A numeric approach uses the concept of counting in terms of consolidation of displacements, and points out the data as a specific element of a cycle, the information part

[Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-07 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear FIS Colleagues, It is time for my second post this week. Many thanks to Christophe Menant (for the profound question) and to all colleagues (for the very nice and useful comments)! ** Christophe Menant had written: “However, I'm not sure that “meaning” is enough to sep