Re: [Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-17 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Jesse, Arturo -- Science is necessarily culture-laden in being motivated and supported by the interests of the culture affording it. The observer cannot escape itself nor its position in the world of possibility. The information sought by scientific means is already implicit in the initiation of

Re: [Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-17 Thread Jesse David Dinneen
Dear Arturo (and greetings to everybody), Just a few more reasons to be wary of dismissing concepts and thinking that science is free of them: The position you are promoting constitutes a pop view (sometimes called the received view or naive view) of science, in which empirical items (e.g.,

Re: [Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-11 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Caro Bruno, condivido il Tuo pensiero. Coincide o assomiglia al mio. approccio onto-epistemo-logico empirico o concreto. Le metafisiche idee della mente sono necessarie per conoscere la realtà. Tutte le scienze ne fanno uso, compresa la matematica. Quando la matematica non ce la fa a farci

Re: [Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Arturo, dear FISers, On 08 Nov 2017, at 22:11, tozziart...@libero.it wrote: Dear FISers, science talks about observables, i.e., quantifiable parameters. I can't agree more. Science measure numbers, and infer relations among them. But we know also that untestable ideas can be

Re: [Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-09 Thread Michel Petitjean
Dear Arturo, I share most of your views below. However, I would not systematically reject the contributions of philosophers in information science (and in general), even if some of them are unreliable. But what could be a world without philosophers? And are we ourselves so reliable? In fact, your

[Fis] I do not understand some strange claims

2017-11-08 Thread tozziart...@libero.it
Dear FISers, science talks about observables, i.e., quantifiable parameters. Therefore, describing the word "information" in terms of philosophers' statements, hypothetical useless triads coming from nowhere, the ridicolous Rupert Sheldrake's account, mind communication, qualitative subjective