[Fis] _ Re: re Gödel discussion

2016-05-02 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
A number of commentators, including the philosopher-logician G. Spencer Brown and the anthropologist-systems theorist Gregory Bateson, reframed variants of the Liar’s paradox as it might apply to real world phenomena. Instead of being stymied by the undecidability of the logic or the semantic

[Fis] _ Re: _ Re: re Gödel discussion

2016-05-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Folks I realize in replying to this I surely reach the end of possible comments that I can make for a week. But nevertheless … I want to comment on Terrence Deacon’s remarks below and also on Professor Johnstone’s remark from another email: "This may look like a silly peculiarity of spoken

Re: [Fis] The next round on physics and phenomenology

2016-05-02 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Alex, I have considerable sympathy with the phenomenological backbone of your argument. I would caution, however, about relying on quantum theory (a la Planck) as a literal support of it. I was trained as an engineer to place great emphasis on dimensional considerations, specifically on the

Re: [Fis] FIS Discussion (No Vol #)

2016-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Alex, On 02 May 2016, at 08:30, Alex Hankey wrote: RE Bruno Marchal: It is easier to explain the illusion of matter to something conscious than to explain the illusion of consciousness to something material. ME: At the Consciousness Conference I found it extraordinary that at least

[Fis] _ Re: : Vol 25, #32, Nature of Self

2016-05-02 Thread steven bindeman
Unless I am misunderstanding Nagarjuna, he uses a form of reductionism to show how all metaphysical positions are untenable. To illustrate this point in further detail, I will provide the rest of my section on his thinking from my manuscript on silence: Following the implications of the middle

Re: [Fis] FIS Discussion (No Vol #)

2016-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 May 2016, at 03:38, Maxine Sheets-Johnstone wrote: To all concerned colleagues, I appreciate the fact that discussions should be conversations about issues, but this particular issue and in particular the critique cited in my posting warrant extended exposition in order to show the

[Fis] _ Re: : Vol 25, #32, Nature of Self

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Hankey
Dear Steve, What you have written is so supreme and beautiful! Might I suggest a Deed-Poll application to Un-Bind-a-man? After reading your comments, I had to take time out and simply sit in "Silence", and let my mind be filled with the 'energy' with which your words had both filled it and

Re: [Fis] FIS Discussion (No Vol #)

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Hankey
RE Bruno Marchal: Gödel's theorem implies that machines which are looking at themselves (in a precise technical sense) develop a series of distinct phenomenologies (arguably corresponding to justifiable, knowable, observable, sensible). ME: I find this a fascinating observation in that you are

Re: [Fis] FIS Discussion (No Vol #)

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Hankey
Dear Bruno, You have brought up a vitally important question. Thank you so very much. Best wishes Alex RE Bruno: How could the quantum correlations existence be definite if nothing is objective? ME: It does not really matter what the nature of the reality is, either strongly objective (denied

[Fis] FIS Discussion (No Vol #)

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Hankey
RE Bruno Marchal: It is easier to explain the illusion of matter to something conscious than to explain the illusion of consciousness to something material. ME: At the Consciousness Conference I found it extraordinary that at least one plenary presentation was centered round treating the wave

[Fis] _ Re:: Vol 25, #32, Nature of Self

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Hankey
It is good to note that Reductionism is not appropriate, not in this particular context, maybe not in any context. Most of the oriental philosophers were not aware of any reductionist approach, since their teachers were purely concerned with integrated and holistic approaches to understanding and

[Fis] re Gödel discussion

2016-05-02 Thread Maxine Sheets-Johnstone
Many thanks for your comments, Lou and Bruno. I read and pondered, and finally concluded that the paths taken by each of you exceed my competencies. I subsequently sent your comments to Professor Johnstone—-I trust this is acceptable—asking him if he would care to respond with a brief sketch of