Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Mark: Do we want to defend a definition of meaning which is tied to scientific practice as we know it? Would that be too narrow? Ours may not be the only way of doing science... I meant my remarks analytically. You provide them with a normative turn as defensive against alternative ways o

Re: [Fis] A PROPOSAL ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF INFORMATION

2017-10-14 Thread Bob Logan
Hello Sung and Arturo. Entropy is a measure of disorder and ΔS > 0. If entropy is zero at T = 0 K because there is no disorder at T = absolute zero then entropy can only increase from T = 0 K. If that is the case how can entropy ever be negative? Arturo asked me to share a private email I sent

Re: [Fis] A PROPOSAL ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF INFORMATION

2017-10-14 Thread Sungchul Ji
Hi Arturo, I agree. Engtropy can be negative MATHEMATICALLY, as Shroedinger assumed. But what I am claiming is that that may be a mathematical artifact, since, according to the Third Law of Thermodynamics, therer is no negative entropy. All the best. Sung

[Fis] Learn to Predict the Colour of Garden Peas in Twelve Easy Steps

2017-10-14 Thread Karl Javorszky
1. A historic parallel: a cultural handicap We are at Mendel again. There is an unmistakable parallel between a single person trying to drive attention of members of a learned society to general rules and principles that are discernible on multitudes of objects in the 19 th century and a single

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-14 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Loet, When you say "distinguishing between the information content and the meaning of a message requires a discourse" this is, I think, a position regarding what scientific discourse does. There are, of course, competing descriptions of what scientific discourse does. Does your "meaning"

[Fis] my contribution to the ongoing information / meaning debate

2017-10-14 Thread Steven Bindeman
While I sometimes feel as if I speak a different language than many of you, I believe that my initial notes for a book on creativity may shed some light on the ongoing current discussion. Simply put, information is what a machine has the capacity to produce. However, a machine cannot produce m

Re: [Fis] Data - Reflection - Information

2017-10-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Terry and colleagues, "Language is rather the special case, the most unusual communicative adaptation to ever have evolved, and one that grows out of and depends on informationa/semiotic capacities shared with other species and with biology in general." Let me try to argue in favor of "me