Re: [Fis] Response to Sungchul. Generative Logic

[Francesco Rizzo]

Cari Tutti,
ho riflettuto molto sulle parole dei messaggi di Joseph, Loet, Karl e Sung.
Non sono un superficiale o un illuso, ma per natura e cultura privilegio la
dimensione empatica dell'esistenza e della conoscenza. Questo mi porta a
valorizzare quel poco o quel tanto di talentuoso e valido che v'è in ogni
donna o uomo, allievo o collega. Con non poca fatica compensata dai
risultati ottenuti, pur essendo un POVERINO ESPONENZIALE.
Armonizzare le divergenze richiede l'arte artigiana di integrare le
diversità perseguendo e raggiungendo l'unità, NON l'appiattimento, il
livellamento e l'uniformità. Tessere l'unità è un modo di ricostruire la
storia della vita e della scienza. Rifiuto, quindi, ogni forma di
"riduzionismo" (tendenzialmente atomistico, meccanicistico e statico), al
contrario ricerco l'approccio "olistico"(essenzialmente molecolare,
evolutivo, sistemico ed eco-dinamico).
Essere artigiani di unità nella realtà delle possibilità o nelle
possibilità della realtà è una cosa che fa diventare grandi i piccolini
come me!
Il mio non è uno sfoggio epistemologico, ma una riflessione onto-logica che
mi aiuta a valorizzare l'armonia del dis-accordo nei limiti del possibile,
attuale o potenziale..
Un abbraccio affettuoso a Tutti e scusatemi se sono (stato) noioso.
Francesco

2018-01-14 19:56 GMT+01:00 Sungchul Ji :

> Hi Soren,
>
>
> Which comment is for me?
>
>
> Also, I want to clarify the following:
>
>
> (1) 'Semiotics' is the name given to the study of signs generally and
> existed since long before Peirce's time (1839-1914).
>
> (2) If we represent 'semiotics' as a large circle, it will contain many
> small sub-circles representing various theories about sign processes,
> including Peirce's own, yours, mine, and many others', each sub-circles
> contributing to the complete description of the large circle.
>
> (3) In this Venn diagrammatic sense, 'neo-semiotics' is a sub-circle
> belonging to the large circle of Semiotics that should have some overlap
> with the Peircean semiotics since it is an extension of the latter.
> Further, neo-semiotics has many new features not contained in the Peircean
> semiotics (e.g., molecular signs and their mechanisms of action driven by
> free energy dissipation, the essential thermodynamic requirement for
> semiosis, and the relation between micro- and macrosemiotics, etc.) and
> hence cannot be completely contained within the sub-circle of the Peircean
> semiotics.
>
>
> All the best.
>
>
> Sung
>
>
> --
> *From:* Søren Brier 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:32 AM
> *To:* Loet Leydesdorff; Joseph Brenner; Terrence W. DEACON; Alex Hankey;
> Fis,
> *Cc:* Emanuel Diamant; Sungchul Ji
> *Subject:* RE: [Fis] Response to Sungchul. Generative Logic
>
>
> Dear Pedro
>
>
>
> Their seems to be some malfunction in the system. Three comments – the
> last one to Sung – have not appeared on the list. Could you investigate?
>
>  Best
>
>   Søren Brier
>
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Re: [Fis] Code Biology

[Bruno Marchal]

Dear Pedro, dear colleagues,

Thank you for this announcement. 

I make a comment below based on the abstract of the conference:



> On 11 Jan 2018, at 13:28, Pedro C. Marijuan  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Dear FISers, this Conference in Code Biology may be of interest to some 
> parties. It will be in beautiful Granada (Spain), next June. Although the 
> deadline for abstract submission is too close, there would be a longer term 
> if requested to the organizers. 
> I hpe to see you there. Best--Pedro
> --
> 
> 
> Fifth International Conference in Code Biology
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Call for Papers 
>   
> The International Conferences in Code Biology aim at bringing together 
> scholars and researchers who are interested in the study of all codes of 
> life, from the genetic code to the codes of culture.  
>  
> The Fifth International Conference in Code Biology will take place in Granada 
> (Spain) from 5 to 9 June 2018. The Conference will host individual talks, 
> poster sessions, a roundtable discussion and the Annual General Assembly of 
> the Code Biology Society.
>  
> People who wish to deliver individual talks are invited to email an Abstract 
> of between 200-500 words to  granada-abstra...@codebiology.org 
> 
> Abstracts should be sent as one-page files written in a format such as  .doc 
> or  .rtf  (no PDF please). 
>  
> The deadline for Abstract submission is  15 January 2018.
> Earlier submission is highly recommended.
>  
> More details are available in the Conference homepage 
> http://www.codebiology.org/conferences/Granada2018/ 
> 
>  
> 


This seems *quite* interesting, not so much far from number biology (and 
psychology, and theology).

But … from: http://www.codebiology.org/conferences/Granada2018/ 


<<
Fifth International Conference in Code Biology
Granada (Spain), 5-9 June 2018

Code Biology is the study of all codes of life with the standard methods of 
science. The genetic code and the codes of culture have been known for a long 
time and represent the starting point, the historical foundation, of Code 
Biology. What is really new in this field is the study of all codes that came 
after the genetic code and before the codes of culture. Some of these new codes 
have already been discovered, and it is likely that many more will come to 
light in the future. The existence of many organic codes in Nature is not only 
a major experimental fact. It is one of those facts that have extraordinary 
theoretical implications. 
The first is that most great events of macroevolution were associated with the 
appearance of new organic codes, and this gives us a new description and a new 
understanding of the history of life.
The second theoretical implication comes from the fact that codes involve 
meaning and we need therefore to introduce in biology, again with the standard 
methods of science, not only the concept of information but also the concept of 
meaning. 
The third theoretical implication comes from the fact that the organic codes 
have been highly conserved in evolution, which means that they are the great 
invariants of life, the entities that must be perpetuated while everything else 
is changing. Code Biology, in short, is bringing to light new mechanisms that 
have operated in the history of life and new fundamental concepts in 
theoretical biology.

The International Society of Code Biology (ISCB) has been founded in 2012 with 
the aim of promoting the study of all codes of life. Applications for 
membership are welcome from scholars and researchers of all disciplines, 
including biology, biophysics, biochemistry, neurosciences, psychology, 
anthropology, ecology, information theory, systems theory, linguistics, 
semiotics and philosophy.

>>

It is incredible for me that the disciplines of Logic, Mathematical Logic and 
Theoretical Computer Science, which have so many results concerning coding and 
its possible semantics (operational semantic, denotation semantics, 
connotational semantics, …) are not mentioned.

Mathematical logic is, I think, the oldest science having introduced and 
exploit the distinction between a sentence or a theory (code, number) and its 
interpretation/meaning, usually represented by some infinite subset of some 
infinite set, including many variations possible. And this without mentioning 
that a computer, (a physical or mathematical universal digital machine) 
provides a simple direct operational semantics for the coding, at the base of 
its own functioning. 

Computer science, which is born from philosophical or foundational problem in 
mathematics, where indeed Naive Set Platonism leads quickly to contradiction 
and paradoxes (cf Russell paradox) has found a universal number/machine