Dear Karl,
The assumption I would like to
check that we share is that existence and energy are primitive and numbers
something derived. When one moves from the quantum vacuum or singularity into
the thermodynamic world, as soon as change occurs, something is no longer
totally itself; there is something new along side of it in 4D space-time. The
number of entities has increased, and this is the situation is the reality of
which addition is the model. Iteration, which also occurs in reality, does the
rest. If I understand you correctly, you feel that numbers, once available and
manipulated
in more complex ways, can model many other things, especially, of course,
aspects
of information.
If a numerical perspective is
convenient and even necessary for an understanding of nature, I would
still like to know if it is sufficient. Are you able to capture, in your
information theory, for example, the informational processes involved in:
·
emotions
·
creativity
·
anti-social behavior (rational and irrational)
·
complex political processes
·
your own theory?
I think it would make for a more interesting and productive discussion if you
were to tell us where your
theory does NOT apply, rather than let us raise naïve objections to which you
already
have clear answers. I would like to know, for example, which of several
possible approaches to the definition of a logical object are involved; at
what point the limitations of machines become determining; and under what
conditions one should seek to maximize (because valuable) heterogeneity as
opposed to homogeneity. Very interesting discussions can then be envisaged at
the “boundaries”
between different approaches.
Thank you and best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: karl.javors...@gmail.com
Datum: 20.01.2011 21:03
An: Jerry Chandlerjerry_lr_chand...@mac.com, Joseph
Brennerjoe.bren...@bluewin.ch, Pedro C. Marijuanpcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
Betreff: Info Theory
Hope that the FIS server will eventuially accept this, too. For you,
individually:
Information Theory:
Let me answer the points raised so far:
Joe Brenner:
My hope is that this discussion will have a
good deal to do with qualitative as well as quantitative aspects of
information. Perhaps people should state clearly what the primary interests and
objectives are of their remarks.
Jerry Chandler:
The unspoken premise of many discussants
appears to me to be a view of information theory as a universal glue, a
universal predicate, a universal code.
The assertion is outspoken, explicit and apodictically declaratory: information
theory IS a universal glue, a
universal predicate, a universal code
Yet, any effort to use quantum logic to
describe inheritance requires the construction of semantic bridges between
messages before the encoding occurs. The existence of such semantic links or
connections is intrinsic to the logical premise or assertion lies in the
encoding process, not the experimental science that generates the information.
The
concepts and procedures underlying quantum logic and inheritance root
BOTH in a common concept of rationality. Rationality as understood and
codified heretofore roots in traditional concepts of additions. Once the
next techniques of addition will have been mastered, both quantum logic
and inheritance will be understood to agree to the same unified
underlying theory of information.
Why did the sciences develop separate
and distinct encoding systems for expressing the natural behaviors of
nature?There
is an epistemological and a neurological-traditional explanation for
this phenomenon. Thinking can discover (as Thomas said ca 1260 in Summa
Theologiae) that an order exists behind the orders. This is in fact so.
So a discursive distinction between concepts observed as appearances of
the minor orders and concepts deducted as being principles of the maior
order is reasonable. The neurological-traditional teaching orients
itself on requirements and limitations of the human neurology. The
complexity of understanding the advanced techniques of additions places
it far outside the capacity of human brains to conceive yet alone
understand and utilize. The unsolved - in fact, without the help of
machines: unsolvable - task of mastering the additions has forced human
scientists and philosophers to assign processes that can only be
understood by advanced additions to the realm of irrational;
reasonable again. (The task to observe patterns on 136x9x72 integers is
outside human capacity unaided by machines. Ours is the first generation
to have pattern-recognising machines at its disposal at leisure.)
(The theory will..) inform us of the natural
foundations of Shannon information theory and
give the logical reasons for its spectacular practical and economic success.
The
theory will inform us of the natural foundations of the FIS information
theory and give the logical reasons of
