Re: [Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Not only among fis. I can tell you that it is very well written. As far as I have read (1/3), it goes over what (I suppose) we all (me anyhow) know already, but with a spin of great rhetoric. Perhaps it acts as a focus. STAN On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Hector Zenil wrote: > Could someone

[Fis] Fwd: Re: POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Dear Steven, Hector: As I have mentioned on FIS before, I'm somewhat retrograde in that I don't see algorithmic information as much of an advance on Shannon. The true irony here is that Terry mentions and then immediately dismisses Shannon information, when it is the only expression of info

Re: [Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Hector Zenil
Steven, More than an objection I wanted to understand what the book was being credited for. But yes, a book that is credited to advance the field of information and overlooks to talk about Turing computation I think should be considered, at least, incomplete (perhaps intended along the lines of th

Re: [Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Hector Zenil
Thanks Bob, Your summary is very much appreciated. I would be very interested to rather know rather how the ideas from the book fit or not with the state of the fields that Deacon is attempting to cover, or how it advances the topic in any way (if I understand it is not attempting to make progress

Re: [Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Dear Hector, What, exactly, is your objection to it? It's anti-reductionism (that I would object to also) or it's claim that Turing computation is insufficient (to which I have no objection)? With respect, Steven -- Dr. Steven Ericsson-Zenith Institute for Advanced Science &

Re: [Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Hector Zenil
Could someone summarize why Terrence Deacon's book is such a presumed breakthrough judging by the buzz it has generated among FIS enthusiasts? Thanks. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Krassimir Markov's suggestion is excellent. Next year we could

[Fis] Conferences in Varna

2012-04-27 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues, Every year, including this, we organize special conference on FIS called "GIT" from "General Information Theory". This year it will be organized, too. We received interesting contributions, for instance from FIS-ers Mark Burgin and Karl Yavorsky (who already have s

[Fis] POSTS ON TERRY' S BOOK

2012-04-27 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, Krassimir Markov's suggestion is excellent. Next year we could have a FIS conference in his place, centered in the exploration of the new info avenue drafted by Terrence Deacon's book, and started by Stuart Kauffman and others. Previously my suggestion is that we have a regular di

Re: [Fis] Incomplete Nature - Completing the discussion that Terrystarted

2012-04-27 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Bob, Terry and FIS colleagues, Let me remember the possibility to organize conferences on FIS offerd by the ITHEA ISS in Varna, Bulgaria. Please see what we have done till now at http://ithea.org/ You and all FIS colleagues are welcome ! Friendly regards Krassimir From: Bob Logan Sent:

Re: [Fis] Incomplete Nature - Completing the discussion that Terry started

2012-04-27 Thread Terry Marks-Tarlow
Hi Bob,While I am greatly honored that you are attributing this book to me, Incomplete Nature, this is actually not my book. Wrong Terry!I did just write a book that I was hoping you were referring to when I started your email, called Clinical Intuition in Psychotherapy: The Neurobiology of Emb