Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Robert and FIS colleagues, On 12 Nov 2012, at 16:35, Robert Ulanowicz wrote: Dear Pedro, Roman Littlefield is coming out with a volume along those lines entitled Beyond Mechanism http://www.academia.edu/1141907/Beyond_Mechanism_Putting_Life_Back_Into_Biology As for our Chinese

Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Bruno said -- but this does not mean that Mechanism is a good *explanation* of anything. On the contrary, I prefer to look at it as a tool, perhaps a simplifying tool, to *formulate* the problems (notably the mind-body problem), to explain it is not yet solved, even in that simplifying frame,

Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Bob Logan
Hey Stan - I agree with the way you characterize the role of logic as a linguistic mechanism. Logic connects one set of statements, the premises, with another set of statements, the conclusion. Without challenging your remarks I would suggest that like the case with the poets it is sometimes

Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Robin Faichney
Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 3:57:10 PM, Bob wrote: ... But for me the interesting phenomena where the logic of cause and effect does not hold is the case of emergence and self-organization. With an emergent system in which the properties of the system can not be derived from, reduced to or

Re: [Fis] The Information Flow

2012-11-13 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear Joseph and FIS colleagues, I will not argue here for or against computationalism (digital mechanism), because I do not understand how complex biological, cognitive and social processes can be computable, if no algorithm can be written for them. I speak of the processes themselves, not